Verizon CTO Calls Out T-Mobile HSPA+

Verizon is showing its usual arrogance over its network via an interview with CTO Tony Melone from Cnet. While I’ll be the first to admit, Verizon really outshines the other carriers, including our Magenta at CES, hands down that doesn’t mean they have the strongest offering of all. With that in mind, we won’t deny that they came out swinging with their selection of LTE offerings but T-Mobile is promising 25 phones with a good deal of them running 4G so the battle is just getting started, it’s not over by a long shot.

When asked about T-Mobile’s announcement of HSPA+ doubled speeds to 42Mbps he basically shrugs off the move as a necessary but not cure all step. Everyone is in agreement that HSPA+ and its software upgrades along with limited hardware requirements provides a less expensive solution for T-Mobile to hit 4G speeds while Verizon has to invest in the infrastructure for an entire network buildout.

While we’ve seen screenshot after screenshot of users getting speeds of 5+ Mbps on T-Mobile’s HSPA+ network, Melone doesn’t think that’s typical or spread across the network. Well, the same can be said about Verizon’s LTE, I’ve seen reports of speeds north of 25Mbps and in the 3Mbps range so obviously location plays a role. The fact that he is promising speeds of 5-12Mbps across the network and as a typical experience is the hype machine in motion that Verizon is so good at. However, all this will come at a price and a premium that is typical Verizon, you’ll pay to play.

It’s certainly possible Verizon’s LTE network might be faster for some than T-Mobile and vice versa, but one thing is for sure, T-Mobile won’t tax you up the wazoo and that’s plenty reason to stick around.

Read the whole interview at Cnet

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  • Ali

    T-Mobile uses sources to backup their claim.

    Verizon uses somebody from corporate as their word of mouth.

    I wonder which is more reliable……

  • Ali

    T-Mobile uses sources to backup their claim.

    Verizon uses somebody from corporate as their word of mouth.

    I wonder which is more reliable……

  • Ali

    T-Mobile uses sources to backup their claim.

    Verizon uses somebody from corporate as their word of mouth.

    I wonder which is more reliable……

  • Anonymous

    Stick around while VZW gets all the amazing phones to play with? Not likely…

    What good is 5+ down if its on a Cliq2???

  • Anonymous

    Stick around while VZW gets all the amazing phones to play with? Not likely…

    What good is 5+ down if its on a Cliq2???

    • hi!

      exactly, for the first time in my life I found myself on verizon’s website last night. FIRST TIME EVER!

      Yes I am saving money with TMobile but I’m starting to feel cheap and I may need to budget for a more expensive, but vastly superior network sooner than later

      • Aantoine87

        what yall fail to realize is that verizon had all the phones at ces but next month at mes or whatever is coming up next month T-mobile may announce all of the phones, i mean think about it what good is to know of a phone that wont be released for damn near half a year, you know how the avg dumb ass is the bionic sounds good but if a phone is announced 3 weeks b4 it comes out then u will loose interest in the phone

      • friend of hi!

        i agree….they have 4.3″ android phones. T-Mobile has ?

      • friend of hi!

        i agree….they have 4.3″ android phones. T-Mobile has ?

        • Anonymous

          the HD7 :-)

        • OneUpDave

          Because we all know that “Windows Phone 7” is the exact same as “android”. You’re really smart.

        • Anonymous

          I apologize you didn’t get the sarcasm OneUpDave. HTC and Motorola seems to take their best offerings to the carriers with the most subscribers (Verizon and At&t), can’t really blame a business for going where the most money is. The Optimus 2x is what we have to look forward too, the skin looks awful but the specs are pretty nice, ill probably pick one up once the devs over at XDA get their hands on it.

        • OneUpDave

          Ah, my bad. Didn’t know it was sarcasm. Speaking of XDA, do you know if they cracked the HD7 yet? I haven’t been keeping up with them lately.

        • Anonymous

          They haven’t as far as I know of.

  • Anonymous

    Stick around while VZW gets all the amazing phones to play with? Not likely…

    What good is 5+ down if its on a Cliq2???

  • NijaBaitor

    I can’t wait to see what awesome devices come out for the magenta this year. I have a G2 and really want to get a front facing camera phone, but I haven’t found much on the magenta side. Front Facing Camera, Slideout Qwerty keyboard, Android 2.3 or better and FAST!! I don’t ask for much do I?

  • NijaBaitor

    I can’t wait to see what awesome devices come out for the magenta this year. I have a G2 and really want to get a front facing camera phone, but I haven’t found much on the magenta side. Front Facing Camera, Slideout Qwerty keyboard, Android 2.3 or better and FAST!! I don’t ask for much do I?

  • NijaBaitor

    I can’t wait to see what awesome devices come out for the magenta this year. I have a G2 and really want to get a front facing camera phone, but I haven’t found much on the magenta side. Front Facing Camera, Slideout Qwerty keyboard, Android 2.3 or better and FAST!! I don’t ask for much do I?

  • Jgomezsti

    lol. tmo will hit 42mbps sooner then verizon you all will see and when vzw does hit 42mbps you will be happy to see that tmo will keep the same rates not like vzw who will tell you well now you faster so you have to put a down payment and pay 200$ per line.. lol

    • Dmcgroggan3

      And by then T-Mo will hit 84mbps lol

    • Dmcgroggan3

      And by then T-Mo will hit 84mbps lol

    • Dmcgroggan3

      And by then T-Mo will hit 84mbps lol

  • Riopato

    Tmobile has got the better balance of service and price. does it matter which phone is tied to which carrier? of course it does! but if it means $60 every time you upgrade a phone compared to $18 (which you can have waived by the way), I rather stick to a carrier that doesn’t nickel and dime their customers! Besides, any phone made for tmobile will connect to a service that isn’t burdened by a saturated network. So if anyone looking to switch to verizon, please do. I wouldn’t want you to hog my network anyway!

  • Tmobilenator

    Verizon can have 5-12Mbps across the network but you still can’t talk and used data at the same time. CDMA is out dated. I’ll keep my tmobile GSM phone and be able to use it in 90% of the world!

    • Jojo

      How often do you even do that?

      • Tmobilenator

        Never, I just repeat what other people say.

      • Camille

        I do it often. I may be on the phone talking with someone and need to look up something on the Internet at the same time. It’s a very convenient feature.

        • Kell

          Sure you do.

        • Tmobilenator

          I use it alot and the second post was not me. So who ever it was thanks for recognizing i’m cooler then you!

        • Tmobilenator

          I use it alot and the second post was not me. So who ever it was thanks for recognizing i’m cooler then you!

      • Camille

        I do it often. I may be on the phone talking with someone and need to look up something on the Internet at the same time. It’s a very convenient feature.

      • Camille

        I do it often. I may be on the phone talking with someone and need to look up something on the Internet at the same time. It’s a very convenient feature.

      • Camille

        I do it often. I may be on the phone talking with someone and need to look up something on the Internet at the same time. It’s a very convenient feature.

      • Camille

        I do it often. I may be on the phone talking with someone and need to look up something on the Internet at the same time. It’s a very convenient feature.

    • Jojo

      How often do you even do that?

    • Jojo

      How often do you even do that?

  • Tmobilenator

    Verizon can have 5-12Mbps across the network but you still can’t talk and used data at the same time. CDMA is out dated. I’ll keep my tmobile GSM phone and be able to use it in 90% of the world!

  • Bobert

    I’d say it’s pretty damn arrogant to release a phone with claims of super duper video calling quality when in reality the video calling is absolutely atrocious .

    • Dylan

      get a better phone u moron

      • Bobert

        Does tmobile have a better phone than the MT4G?

      • Bobert

        Does tmobile have a better phone than the MT4G?

    • Dylan

      get a better phone u moron

    • Dylan

      get a better phone u moron

    • Frank

      why u using a phone made for 12 year olds anyway? then u whine about it like u expect it to be some superphone. what a tard.

      • Bobert

        You got all that from my post?
        I was referring to the MT4G. I doubt many would agree that it is made for 12 year olds.
        Its a much better phone than the Nexus 1.
        I doubt you could afford a Nexus 1.

        • Atre

          Of course he can afford it since his mommy will buy it for him.

        • Bobert

          LOL good one

        • Atre

          Of course he can afford it since his mommy will buy it for him.

        • Atre

          Of course he can afford it since his mommy will buy it for him.

    • Frank

      why u using a phone made for 12 year olds anyway? then u whine about it like u expect it to be some superphone. what a tard.

    • Frank

      why u using a phone made for 12 year olds anyway? then u whine about it like u expect it to be some superphone. what a tard.

    • Jeff

      Have you updated Qik… Or tried Tango?? Video calling works just fine on mine and my wifes Here in Houston. We both love our MT4G’s… And that’s saying alot coming from me who has a Nexus and a Vibrant.

      • Bobert

        Thanks I will have to try that.

      • Bobert

        Thanks I will have to try that.

  • Bobert

    I’d say it’s pretty damn arrogant to release a phone with claims of super duper video calling quality when in reality the video calling is absolutely atrocious .

  • Bobert

    I’d say it’s pretty damn arrogant to release a phone with claims of super duper video calling quality when in reality the video calling is absolutely atrocious .

  • Anonymous

    Of course he has to say something and play Magenta down; I’d do the same even when I know the truth. It’s competition. At the same time, there are ways of doing it without sounding blatantly arrogant. We’ll show them…

  • Anonymous

    Of course he has to say something and play Magenta down; I’d do the same even when I know the truth. It’s competition. At the same time, there are ways of doing it without sounding blatantly arrogant. We’ll show them…

  • tmomonsta

    Yeah and no extra fees like verizon charges, the long hold times verizon has, and the more expensive phones they sell.

  • dieverizon

    verizon sucks balls. and this cto is a massive moron with a big mouth. what a woman. whining all the time cuz someone is better than you. verizon is for idiots

  • dieverizon

    verizon sucks balls. and this cto is a massive moron with a big mouth. what a woman. whining all the time cuz someone is better than you. verizon is for idiots

  • dieverizon

    verizon sucks balls. and this cto is a massive moron with a big mouth. what a woman. whining all the time cuz someone is better than you. verizon is for idiots

  • Paul

    Verizon beats T-Mobile in upload speed so far. I upload to my dropbox all the time either by an app or USB modem. It’s pretty fast but it would be nice if it’s faster.

    • J-Hop2o6

      This year, it should look more like this: 10-21 down / 5 up after the HSPA+ 2x upgrade.

    • J-Hop2o6

      This year, it should look more like this: 10-21 down / 5 up after the HSPA+ 2x upgrade.

  • Paul

    Verizon beats T-Mobile in upload speed so far. I upload to my dropbox all the time either by an app or USB modem. It’s pretty fast but it would be nice if it’s faster.

  • Paul

    Verizon beats T-Mobile in upload speed so far. I upload to my dropbox all the time either by an app or USB modem. It’s pretty fast but it would be nice if it’s faster.

  • Anonymous

    I think VZW is also playing down AT&T as well (and I even think that VZW claims their network is superior to other networks), so don’t worry and have confident with T-Mobile reliable networks.

  • Anonymous

    I think VZW is also playing down AT&T as well (and I even think that VZW claims their network is superior to other networks), so don’t worry and have confident with T-Mobile reliable networks.

  • Dmcgroggan3

    Actually LTE and cdma can talk and data at the same time…know your tec….hehe

    • Actually, CDMA cannot do simultaneous voice and data. LTE is spec’d out to do it, but with the amount of hardware needed to get all of it in place, that likely won’t happen anytime soon. VZW is planning on rolling out VoRA (Voice over Rev. A) which will allow for simultaneous voice and data, but at slightly lower than 3G speeds.

      • Dmcgroggan3

        Again…know your tec dude. I never said cdma could do voice and data at the same time. But with voice over cdma and data over LTE they can do both as long as its in an LTE coverage and on a LTE phone that is not out yet. But the tec is there. I am not praising one over the other…love my 8mbps I get on my my4g and soon to be 15-25 real world speed when T-Mobile launches 42mbps…..but you gotta know what else is out there….and T-Mobile is out from for the foreseeable future. And you won’t be able to bash a LTE having Verizon phone for not being able to do data and voice anymore. And if you ask how often I do both. I do it constantly since coming from VZW. Especially when using speakerphone ;)

        • Dmcgroggan3

          …..”T-Mobile out front”….meaning in the lead….sorry for the typo.

        • J-Hop2o6

          Your MT4G will max out @ 14.4mbps.. so u wont see anything beyond that.. and LTE will be better once VoLGA or VoLTE is implemented to support voice so u wouldn’t have to depend on 3G for voice.. and isn’t that 3G+4G (voice+data) solution a battery killer? thats why EVO4G has such horrible battery life?

        • J-Hop2o6

          Your MT4G will max out @ 14.4mbps.. so u wont see anything beyond that.. and LTE will be better once VoLGA or VoLTE is implemented to support voice so u wouldn’t have to depend on 3G for voice.. and isn’t that 3G+4G (voice+data) solution a battery killer? thats why EVO4G has such horrible battery life?

      • Dmcgroggan3

        Again…know your tec dude. I never said cdma could do voice and data at the same time. But with voice over cdma and data over LTE they can do both as long as its in an LTE coverage and on a LTE phone that is not out yet. But the tec is there. I am not praising one over the other…love my 8mbps I get on my my4g and soon to be 15-25 real world speed when T-Mobile launches 42mbps…..but you gotta know what else is out there….and T-Mobile is out from for the foreseeable future. And you won’t be able to bash a LTE having Verizon phone for not being able to do data and voice anymore. And if you ask how often I do both. I do it constantly since coming from VZW. Especially when using speakerphone ;)

      • Dmcgroggan3

        Again…know your tec dude. I never said cdma could do voice and data at the same time. But with voice over cdma and data over LTE they can do both as long as its in an LTE coverage and on a LTE phone that is not out yet. But the tec is there. I am not praising one over the other…love my 8mbps I get on my my4g and soon to be 15-25 real world speed when T-Mobile launches 42mbps…..but you gotta know what else is out there….and T-Mobile is out from for the foreseeable future. And you won’t be able to bash a LTE having Verizon phone for not being able to do data and voice anymore. And if you ask how often I do both. I do it constantly since coming from VZW. Especially when using speakerphone ;)

  • BigMixxx

    Verizon, really? And your devices come out when? And it will come with how many stipulations? Tomorrow will be the iPhone announcement…that’s old news. Technically speaking, the network will now new enough and mature enough to actually handle Voice and Data. The Verizon hot new fandango is gonna cost users more fandango dollars, yet they have not said it. The precedence is this: Sprint Calls it 4g and charges a premium for that access, and it’s sprints hottest phone right now. If that holds true, Verizon will call it 4g and charge a premium for it, if the industry precedence holds. As AT&T mature’s it’s LTE and HSPA+ offerings, will they do the same thing. One would wonder…

  • Ok… I’m still not paying a billion dollars for their services. 1, we’re in a recession. 2, I can get the same if not better service with T-Mobile in my area. Plans in general to the average person are pretty expensive, but at least T-Mobile’s is reasonable. Let’s try this Unlimited Verizon vs. Unlimited T-Mobile. T-Mobile Unlimited Talk + Text + Data : $99.99. Verizon : $89.99 (unlimited talk & text) + Unlimited Data : $29.99. T-Mobile :$99.99 + tax ~ no 4G Premium cost, Verzion : $119.98 + tax + 4G Premium cost. You think imma pay $20 extra when $100 is already enough in itself? HECK NAW! I can get Simple Mobile that even runs on T-Mobile network & use any phone for almost half the cost @ $60 w/ taxes included. But, as far as between those 2 I’d choose T-Mobile. & we already have 4G phones, & more on the way. T-Mobile quick easy 4G network expansion & backwards compatibility addition >>>> Verizon’s data LTE network w/ the addition infrastructure they’ll need & no backwards compatibility. Correct me if I’m wrong

  • Rm

    Any word on tmobile’s plans on expanding the 3g network? Most people I know won’t go to t-mobile because they have such horrible coverage. I actually live in a 3g area but I’m stuck on edge? It’s great that they have 4g now for the largest markets but guess what? Even those people travel to other places and don’t want to be stuck on gprs or in a dead zone everytime they go ten miles outside the city.

    • Dmcgroggan3

      This is one thing I wish T-Mobile would concentrate on too. Larger data footprint. Voice is pretty good. But you need more than cities when you want to go up against the big boys like VZW when their data footprint is massive. What I mean by “play with the big boys” is that if you want to compete with VZW in the business space you need that type of footprint where you can go from city to city and have 3g-4G the whole time. I am not bashing magenta. They just need that type of footprint that will attract the business customers that build up a huge part of your just base…they don’t churn as often (a weakness of magenta) and with a bigger base you get the better phone exclusives…who wouldn’t want one of those high end MOTO Droid?

      • Rm

        Hopefully they start expanding sometime in the near future. I really like t-mobile and what not but it really gets annoying when everywhere I go my friends on all the other carriers including some of the prepaid guys have 3g and I’m stuck on gprs or edge. Lets hope they get are able to put some resources in an expansion sometime soon so they can compete. It just seems that that could be very far off seeing that they are sending all their engineers out to work on upgrades to existing 3g areas. I have seen no news in the past 6 months about new 3g areas unless it is not being reported? I do check the map of my area here and there and the only change I notice here in New England is dark purple changing to darker purple in the big cities.

    • ray

      Exactly, I spend most of my time on edge, which is horrible. TMobile is the only network provider who does not have at least 3g in my area. I love the 4g speeds on the rare occasion that I visit a metropolitan area, but I have to rely on wifi to get any data service at my house.

  • Rm

    Any word on tmobile’s plans on expanding the 3g network? Most people I know won’t go to t-mobile because they have such horrible coverage. I actually live in a 3g area but I’m stuck on edge? It’s great that they have 4g now for the largest markets but guess what? Even those people travel to other places and don’t want to be stuck on gprs or in a dead zone everytime they go ten miles outside the city.

  • Rm

    Any word on tmobile’s plans on expanding the 3g network? Most people I know won’t go to t-mobile because they have such horrible coverage. I actually live in a 3g area but I’m stuck on edge? It’s great that they have 4g now for the largest markets but guess what? Even those people travel to other places and don’t want to be stuck on gprs or in a dead zone everytime they go ten miles outside the city.

  • All of this talk about t-mobile 42Mbs speed is nice and all but until I get an answer about whether the MT4G, which is listed as having a theoretical limit of 14.4Mbs will be able to take advantage of a network doubling, It doesn’t excite me. If it can’t, then I don’t care how fast they can make their network until about a year and a half from now. I have asked about 15 different people and no one knows. Will my phone be like the Vibrant, which is limited to a 7.2Mbs theoretical limit sees some increase from hspa+, or will my phones be able to scale up with an increase in network speed? Anyone?!

    • Jay

      Yes sadly it will reach its threshold at 14.4 . The chip built in to your phone was the first of its kind as mist phones only have a peak of up to 10 MB. Carriers had to wait or put in orders early enough for new network enabled chips can be manufactured or enhanced to work in day to day conditions. Tmobile will again push the threshold goin to 42.

      • So, what you’re saying is, that even though I was sold a “4G” phone, I won’t ACTUALLY be able to get speeds much faster than today. This bothers me and may just force me to return my phone when I get it. So on t-mobile, 4G, doesnt mean 4G. It means 4G version 1.0 with no upgrade path to anything beyond. Is this the case with LTE? will an LTE phone be able to scale up as speed increases? WiMax?

        • aj

          It’s the case for all the standards. If you look it up, these standards have multiple verions. Each time, speed, efficiency, etc. increase. These changes require firmware or more often hardware changes.

          This shows the changes for HSDPA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Speed_Downlink_Packet_Access). As you can see there many iterations of the standard. Also, 14.4 Mbps isn’t even considered HSPA+. Who knows, maybe Qualcomm can enable 21 Mbps HSPA+ through a firmware upgrade but that is very very unlikely.

        • aj

          It’s the case for all the standards. If you look it up, these standards have multiple verions. Each time, speed, efficiency, etc. increase. These changes require firmware or more often hardware changes.

          This shows the changes for HSDPA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Speed_Downlink_Packet_Access). As you can see there many iterations of the standard. Also, 14.4 Mbps isn’t even considered HSPA+. Who knows, maybe Qualcomm can enable 21 Mbps HSPA+ through a firmware upgrade but that is very very unlikely.

        • 4G_or_not_4G

          Don’t seat T-MO, just about guarantee that the same problem will be on Verizon and Sprint. Not AT&T, because by the time that they join the party, they should have the latest and greatest phones:)

    • Jay

      Yes sadly it will reach its threshold at 14.4 . The chip built in to your phone was the first of its kind as mist phones only have a peak of up to 10 MB. Carriers had to wait or put in orders early enough for new network enabled chips can be manufactured or enhanced to work in day to day conditions. Tmobile will again push the threshold goin to 42.

    • J-Hop2o6

      but 14.4 is still fast.. anyways, your goin to have to upgrade to a 21 or 42 mbps phone this year to take MORE advantage of the HSPA+ 2x upgrade this year.

    • ALL 3G devices will get the benefit.
      Other than the speed, latency has improved too. I get even down to 50ms which is pretty close to landline (VZW LTE and Clear Wimax are around 90-130ms).

  • Thereugo67

    I have Tmobile and I believe that they have the best service. Now what does that mean to me. It means that they have the lowest prices and the best customer service and also they are getting the phones that are challenging. So that’s the best service. VERIZON has maybe a stronger network depending where your at but they will Kill you with the prices and in this economy’s present situation I’m glad I have Tmobile and I’m sure many other people feel the same way. I have friends on Verizon and they say this and that excited about the big red, but when you ask them about the pricing that smile becomes a frown real quick.

  • Techbud

    Verizon never claims to be the cheapest…only the best.

    • Anonymous

      The Best? Their speed (even with LTE is not the best). If you currently run a speedtest on any of their phones, they top off at 1.8Mbps (Fascinate, Incredible and Droid X). Upload speeds may on a good day get 0.6 Mbps.

      T Mobile offers 4mpbs (over 2 times faster) on any OLD 3G phone that supports HSPA (all do). And 1mpbs upload.

      So speedwise T Mobile is the best.

      My service allows me to use up to 5Gb (10Gb really) per month. Verizon charges 10 dollars for every GB over their “unlimited cap”. So my 80 dollar service on T Mobile offers more than double of what Verizon offers (5Gb) for 130. So here T Mobile is the best again.

      Coverage. In all metro areas, I never go under 3mbps and 1mpbs upload. And I’ve travelled to over 34 states last year. On the other hand yes Verizon’s speed on the road is better than T Mobile’s but I fly most of the time, so it does not affect me. If you are a bus or truck driver than yeah, Verizon would benefit you.
      This would be equal, but some like the high way coverage, so we will say Verizon is Best here.

      I travel internationally and GSM coverage matches everywhere I go. A CDMA phone (Verizon/Sprint or US Celular) is useless once you leave the US, you can’t pop a new chip in. I can with T Mobile, so here again Tmobile is best.

      Most upgrades for existing phones on T Mobile have some benefit, you can’t say the same for LTE, as you will need new phones with different pricing, So T Mobile will offer a faster service than Verizon’s future LTE service on cell phones. On sticks, Verizon reaches up to 10Mbps, which is the say that my G2 does on HSPA+ 21… so buying new phones for both Verizon will reach 10Mbps but T Mob will reach 30Mbps. So here again T Mobile is best.

      Customer service at T Mobile is the best anywhere and most customer reps do know what they are talking about. Say you lost your contacts, T Mobile tells you what you need to do to recover them and suggest you use Google Account to keep them, Verizon they do great you with a smile but they will do their best to charge you for this service, and if they can they will not tell you about using a Google account. So here again T Mobile is best.

      So what does Verizon offer that I want… Nothing, inferior service for a higher price. You want to pay for it, be my guest.

      • Grafjordan

        stick it to them homie.

      • Dmcgroggan3

        All good points but VZW does not charge anything on top of their unlimited phone data plans. You are thinking their $15 phone data plan or their mifi and tablet plans. $30 for unlimited data and no throttling….but if course its 1.4 mbps tops, so you can’t really get much slower than that lol

      • Dmcgroggan3

        All good points but VZW does not charge anything on top of their unlimited phone data plans. You are thinking their $15 phone data plan or their mifi and tablet plans. $30 for unlimited data and no throttling….but if course its 1.4 mbps tops, so you can’t really get much slower than that lol

      • Mario

        wow! he Told you iam a T-Mobile customer for 7 years and i say there service got way better and is still getting better im pretty sure by the end of 2011 T-mobile will get so much recognition and respect and jelousy will rise from many carriers GO T-MOBILE

      • Mario

        wow! he Told you iam a T-Mobile customer for 7 years and i say there service got way better and is still getting better im pretty sure by the end of 2011 T-mobile will get so much recognition and respect and jelousy will rise from many carriers GO T-MOBILE

      • Anonymous

        Actually I have travelled all over the USA via car, driving on most major freeways, and I have T-Mobile. I have never once noticed a drop in service. I might go from HSPA (H) on my phone to say Edge (E) in some places but I would have to say 99.9% of the time I had coverage, even if only 1 or 2 bars. So, I would say coverage would be a tie, personally.

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  • Okay, so I spoke with 3 different people at t-mobile and they all said that the MT4G would indeed be able to take advantage of the increased speed. One was a network technician. I was basically told that the “theoretical limit of 14.4Mbs” is listed because at this current time, that’s it’s limit on this network. So basically that doesn’t indicate it’s limit, just it’s limit on the current network. The Vibrant’s limit of 7.2Mbs is a hard limit because the phone uses a HSPA chip and is not compatible with HSPA+ network increases. The MyTouch 4G on the other hand is an HSPA+ phone and even though the speed will increase it uses the same technology. Basically the speed increase happens at the back end and as long as a phone is HSPA+ enabled, it will be able to take advantage of it. Take this for what you will. I don’t know how accurate the information is, but the network tech seemed to know what he was talking about. I feel confident enough to keep my phone for now

    • Android

      You got lied to. The Qualcomm chip used in the MT4G maxes out at 14.4 Mbps. T-Mobile’s current network maxes out at 21 Mbps which is above your phone’s limit so the 42 Mbps upgrade won’t help you other than less congestion. The bottleneck in your case is your phone’s hardware.

      It’s not the same as when HSDPA 7.2 Mbps devices getting faster speeds when T-Mobile introduced HSPA+. In this case, the increased speed in back end hardware enabled the 7.2 devices to finally get their advertised speeds. The bottleneck a year ago was T-Mobile’s backhaul not being fast enough.

      • then it appears i was lied to, as I said, I wasn’t sure how accurate the info was. I appreciate all your info. That’s all i wanted to know was that information. Out of 15 people I spoke with, not including the ones at tmobile, you’re the first one to actually knows what they are talking about.

        This shouldn’t surprise me. It’s what happens to all early adopters. I however still have a bad taste in my mouth about being sold a 4G phone that won’t actually be able to take full advantage of said 4G network.

      • then it appears i was lied to, as I said, I wasn’t sure how accurate the info was. I appreciate all your info. That’s all i wanted to know was that information. Out of 15 people I spoke with, not including the ones at tmobile, you’re the first one to actually knows what they are talking about.

        This shouldn’t surprise me. It’s what happens to all early adopters. I however still have a bad taste in my mouth about being sold a 4G phone that won’t actually be able to take full advantage of said 4G network.

      • then it appears i was lied to, as I said, I wasn’t sure how accurate the info was. I appreciate all your info. That’s all i wanted to know was that information. Out of 15 people I spoke with, not including the ones at tmobile, you’re the first one to actually knows what they are talking about.

        This shouldn’t surprise me. It’s what happens to all early adopters. I however still have a bad taste in my mouth about being sold a 4G phone that won’t actually be able to take full advantage of said 4G network.

      • Nobody got lied to. On the 21Mbps connection, most people get 5-7Mbps down with real world speeds on their myTouch 4G’s and G2’s. The 42Mbps connections will obviously more than likely double the real world speeds they were getting, so when that finally launches in their area they are likely to see 10-12Mbps consistently down. So they do benefit of the 42Mbps connection.

        • Nexus

          The 42 Mbps uprgrade won’t double anything on current phones. The uprgrade uses MIMO or dual carrier implementations of HSPA+. Current phones will require hardware changes (ie. more antennas and chips that has MIMO or dual cell processing implemented).

          The reason most people can’t get much higher than other HSDPA 7.2 devices is because the current 21 Mbps implementation uses 64QAM and higher code rates to achieve it. These very high order modulation and code rates are very susceptible to interference. So unless you’re really close to a tower, have no obstructions and no other RF interference, your device is likely to drop down to lower order modulation (ie. 16QAM, QPSK, etc.) and code rates which is usually HSDPA 7.2 or lower.

          With the new upgrades, current phones won’t be able to take advantage of MIMO and dual carrier modes. There will likely be less network congestion due to the new and faster devices finishing their data sessions quicker and freeing up tower access.

        • G2guy

          With less interference from the newer phones finishing their session quicker, maybe my phone will be able to maintain these higher order modes. I might actually hit 8 or maybe 10 Mbps. I’m trying to be optimistic about my 4G phone that will soon be significantly slower than newer 4G phones.

  • Okay, so I spoke with 3 different people at t-mobile and they all said that the MT4G would indeed be able to take advantage of the increased speed. One was a network technician. I was basically told that the “theoretical limit of 14.4Mbs” is listed because at this current time, that’s it’s limit on this network. So basically that doesn’t indicate it’s limit, just it’s limit on the current network. The Vibrant’s limit of 7.2Mbs is a hard limit because the phone uses a HSPA chip and is not compatible with HSPA+ network increases. The MyTouch 4G on the other hand is an HSPA+ phone and even though the speed will increase it uses the same technology. Basically the speed increase happens at the back end and as long as a phone is HSPA+ enabled, it will be able to take advantage of it. Take this for what you will. I don’t know how accurate the information is, but the network tech seemed to know what he was talking about. I feel confident enough to keep my phone for now

  • Okay, so I spoke with 3 different people at t-mobile and they all said that the MT4G would indeed be able to take advantage of the increased speed. One was a network technician. I was basically told that the “theoretical limit of 14.4Mbs” is listed because at this current time, that’s it’s limit on this network. So basically that doesn’t indicate it’s limit, just it’s limit on the current network. The Vibrant’s limit of 7.2Mbs is a hard limit because the phone uses a HSPA chip and is not compatible with HSPA+ network increases. The MyTouch 4G on the other hand is an HSPA+ phone and even though the speed will increase it uses the same technology. Basically the speed increase happens at the back end and as long as a phone is HSPA+ enabled, it will be able to take advantage of it. Take this for what you will. I don’t know how accurate the information is, but the network tech seemed to know what he was talking about. I feel confident enough to keep my phone for now

  • Okay, so I spoke with 3 different people at t-mobile and they all said that the MT4G would indeed be able to take advantage of the increased speed. One was a network technician. I was basically told that the “theoretical limit of 14.4Mbs” is listed because at this current time, that’s it’s limit on this network. So basically that doesn’t indicate it’s limit, just it’s limit on the current network. The Vibrant’s limit of 7.2Mbs is a hard limit because the phone uses a HSPA chip and is not compatible with HSPA+ network increases. The MyTouch 4G on the other hand is an HSPA+ phone and even though the speed will increase it uses the same technology. Basically the speed increase happens at the back end and as long as a phone is HSPA+ enabled, it will be able to take advantage of it. Take this for what you will. I don’t know how accurate the information is, but the network tech seemed to know what he was talking about. I feel confident enough to keep my phone for now

  • Okay, so I spoke with 3 different people at t-mobile and they all said that the MT4G would indeed be able to take advantage of the increased speed. One was a network technician. I was basically told that the “theoretical limit of 14.4Mbs” is listed because at this current time, that’s it’s limit on this network. So basically that doesn’t indicate it’s limit, just it’s limit on the current network. The Vibrant’s limit of 7.2Mbs is a hard limit because the phone uses a HSPA chip and is not compatible with HSPA+ network increases. The MyTouch 4G on the other hand is an HSPA+ phone and even though the speed will increase it uses the same technology. Basically the speed increase happens at the back end and as long as a phone is HSPA+ enabled, it will be able to take advantage of it. Take this for what you will. I don’t know how accurate the information is, but the network tech seemed to know what he was talking about. I feel confident enough to keep my phone for now

  • i wonder what Verizon will say when we have lthe up and running

  • superdata

    The mt4g (not hd) is a great phone. I have fantastic and steady 4g coverage 90% of the time. The phone is a beast. You are entitled to your opinion, but don’t flame everything else. Have you ever handled a mt4g? Your opinion might change once you do if you haven’t already. And now with cm on it, the device has only gotten exponentially better. I had a g1, g2, and now mt4g. This phone is the best I’ve handled. And believe me, there’s tons of negatives with motoblur, which the atrix sports.also, if your willing to jump to att, more power to you, but that’s probably the dumbest thing tobdo. Att is not good. I’ve had them and so have a ton of my friends, and none of us are still with them. While tmo isn’t perfect, but then again who is, there are substantially better than att, especially customer service wise. My old att store in the city, we had to take a # to get help, like some sort of bakery or something. I wouldn’t go to att. Buy the atrix, unlock the shit, and keep tmo. Just my honest opinion.

  • Tmo Rep

    What people fail to see is that Verizon’s LTE is putting down 25 or so MBPS in certain area’s because there is no load on their network. Wait until they have phones which use LTE network to bog down that speed.

    • Tmo CEO

      Not much load on T-Mobile either, haha.

      • Aantoine87

        t-mobile has like 20 phones on their 4G, verizon has none plus whatever phones they use to test their LTE network on

      • Aantoine87

        t-mobile has like 20 phones on their 4G, verizon has none plus whatever phones they use to test their LTE network on

    • Tmo CEO

      Not much load on T-Mobile either, haha.

  • Tmo Rep

    What people fail to see is that Verizon’s LTE is putting down 25 or so MBPS in certain area’s because there is no load on their network. Wait until they have phones which use LTE network to bog down that speed.

  • Joey

    If T-Mobile is serious about winning back the lower end of the market then they need to offer unlimited everything at the $40 price point and send Metro PCS and the like out of business. It might even serve them well at some point to buy all the smaller regionals and prepaid carriers out.

    Metro PCS would be a great acquisition for them to not only add millions of subscribers but to utilize their existing PCS/AWS tower infrastructure since it’s similar to their own.

    DT has licenses to operate in US Cellular territory too but leaves most of their rural areas dry. They need to buy them out too before Verizon or ATT does and expand their network to support AWS 4G.

    Another likely scenario, if the iPhone proves too much is to merge with Sprint (since their PCS network footprint is similar and forge a 2G/3G/4G roaming agreement with ATT to fill in the dead spots. With this scenario all upgrades and new lines of service would have to be on the newer AWS network.

  • JASON11

    OMG IM GOING INSANE MY PHONE IS NOT WORKING AND IVE BEEN WAITING TO SPEAK TO A REP FOR AN HOUR AND 8 MINUTES. WHATS GOING ON T-MOBILE. DOES ANYBODY KNOW IF THEY MOVED THEY’RE CALL CENTER TO INDIA CAUSE ALL THE REPS THAT PICK UP NOW SOUND INDIAN.

  • Ryan

    i’m getting ready to throw in the towel on t-mobile. my g2 in a hspa+ area is utterly useless when i walk into almost ANY building and i get that ugly E at the top on my status bar. I have to use my friend’s evo or droid to look anything up.

    • Odd bit of propaganda… Your friend has Sprint AND Verizon? I find that difficult to believe, why would he need both if either are so good? Care to indicate what area you are in or is this post a poor attempt to get others to choose something other than T-mobile? If it is the latter, this is an odd place to attempt that because most people on this site are happy with their t-mobile service, why else would they be on a T-mobile news/fan site? Perhaps if your were posting this on a forum where people are deciding which carrier to choose, your lame attempt at propaganda might grab the attention of a few small minds, but then again maybe not…

  • Ryan

    i’m getting ready to throw in the towel on t-mobile. my g2 in a hspa+ area is utterly useless when i walk into almost ANY building and i get that ugly E at the top on my status bar. I have to use my friend’s evo or droid to look anything up.

  • Ryan

    i’m getting ready to throw in the towel on t-mobile. my g2 in a hspa+ area is utterly useless when i walk into almost ANY building and i get that ugly E at the top on my status bar. I have to use my friend’s evo or droid to look anything up.

  • Imprezaowner27

    “”but one thing is for sure, T-Mobile won’t tax you up the wazoo and that’s plenty reason to stick around.””

    oh how wrong you are sir. I work for t-mobile and im seeing a MAJOR shift to…well i rather pay to play than save with t-mobile and get bad service. Granted service isnt the issue, the mediocre phones and spotty 4g is getting really hard to sell.

    • Amonra462

      My service is great (Chicago) and I pay 59.99 a month + insurance and am regularly getting 7 megs down. Your post is all over the place. You start by alluding to a MAJOR shift that you don’t describe, then you talk about mediocre phones yet on all the bench marks its the G2 at the top followed by the MT4G. I’m not sure I know what you are talking about and I don’t think that you know either.

  • Imprezaowner27

    “”but one thing is for sure, T-Mobile won’t tax you up the wazoo and that’s plenty reason to stick around.””

    oh how wrong you are sir. I work for t-mobile and im seeing a MAJOR shift to…well i rather pay to play than save with t-mobile and get bad service. Granted service isnt the issue, the mediocre phones and spotty 4g is getting really hard to sell.

  • Imprezaowner27

    “”but one thing is for sure, T-Mobile won’t tax you up the wazoo and that’s plenty reason to stick around.””

    oh how wrong you are sir. I work for t-mobile and im seeing a MAJOR shift to…well i rather pay to play than save with t-mobile and get bad service. Granted service isnt the issue, the mediocre phones and spotty 4g is getting really hard to sell.

  • Ha, ha! The funny thing is that when the dust settles, T-Mobile (and unfortunately AT&T) will actually have a stronger network after they implement LTE-Advanced1. T-Mobile will have it’s HSPA+ network to fall back on from LTE, but Verizon will only have it’s slow poke EV-DO. By the time Verizon starts upgrading to LTE-Advanced1, T-Mobile will probably (at least) be on the HSPA+ 84Mbps upgrade. IMHO, the one to watch is Sprint/Clear, with their WiMax network. Will they stay with WiMax and eventually upgrade to the WirelessMAN-Advanced2 (Wimax 2) standard or just go LTE? Or, do both?

  • Jay

    Agree with the whole article, but T-Mobile is gradually becoming more expensive. If I’m paying $20 to $30 more for Verizon with similar services, I’ll stick with T-Mobile. If the difference is only $5 to $10 per month more I’ll bite the bullet in exchange for superior coverage.

    • Gman

      T-Mobile has increased data prices. They added “4G Web” for new customers of 4G phones. More expensive than older data plans. So they are charging extra for 4G if you’re not grandfathered into some older plan.

      Soon T-Mobile won’t be competing on price due to their price increases.

      • True, rates went up from $24.99 on data plans when MyFaves were still offered. Since the Even More plans rolled out, data plans have been $30/mo… and that was for 3G speeds. Now, it has just been relabeled as 4G Web. Same price.

      • True, rates went up from $24.99 on data plans when MyFaves were still offered. Since the Even More plans rolled out, data plans have been $30/mo… and that was for 3G speeds. Now, it has just been relabeled as 4G Web. Same price.

    • Gman

      T-Mobile has increased data prices. They added “4G Web” for new customers of 4G phones. More expensive than older data plans. So they are charging extra for 4G if you’re not grandfathered into some older plan.

      Soon T-Mobile won’t be competing on price due to their price increases.

  • Bobsuruncle

    @Jay, that’s just it…I defected from Verizon a couple of months ago (after many years with them) because of their escalating prices. With TMO I pay $50/mo less for a similar family plan than I would with Big Red. That’s $1200 less over a two years. I’ll take the savings. Staying with Verizon was just adding up to more than I wanted to pay. Furthermore, their LTE pricing structure will more than likely be more $ yet.

  • Anonymous

    Love it when Verizon is smack talking when their using LTE overlay on something it was never designed to be used on, CDMA.

    The best part is, as of right now, if a Verizon customer who has an LTE modem/device moves outside of LTE coverage, they have to reboot their laptop or device, and in the case of the lte modem, they also have to remove and re-insert it again.

    • DetroitTechnoFan

      Hahahahaha…

      Sucks to be them. I like being able to switch network modes with the flip of a switch, so VZW would definitely be NOT for me!

  • dualthreat

    Funny. I have a g2 on Tmobile and a Droid incredible on Verizon. And The g2 is much quicker and gets much better reception than my Droid. I don’t know what Verizon is talking about. Their network isn’t faster than Tmobile. Not by a longshot. Once Tmobile flips that hsdpa + switch, it’ll take Verizon a long time to catch up. Also, cdma is old and sucks. Verizon= junk.

    • Punter

      Cool story bro. Almost sounds convincing.

  • Anonymous

    Five things T Mobile must do to keep and gain market share besides keeping phone prices low.

    a) Provide 3G/4G coverage on all Interstates and Parks, (start with parks at least). Provide at least 2G coverage everywhere else, drop Edge now! (3 – 5 Years)

    b) Provide an dock (similar to Atrix small dock) for all Android phones with processors higher than 800Mhz, if you come up with a laptop dock as well.. great! (it must have Citrix vm capability, this is a MUST, you can talk to VMWare or upgrade wine but under any circumstance do NOT talk to Oracle about Suns VM, Oracle is a traitor to open source, it would be foolish and it would be rejected). (6 months)

    c) Provide at least two offering of HIGH end devices with large screens and metal frame. (3 months)

    d) Insure that ALL new devices will be compatible with HSPA+ 42 and at least on cycle higher. That will give you such a huge marketing advantage over Verizon that it would be foolish to not consider it. (this year)

    e) Insure that Samsung delivers on its word and doesn’t let your customers hang like it has done so with the Behold and Vibrant. Don’t accept any of their devices if they don’t provide a update road map, and if they fail to stick to it, insure you can sue them, or at least provide your customers with a free phone upgrade from any other provider (who wants a Samsung device… not me anymore!) (immediately)

    • IamMe

      a) Are you retarded?

      b) I think when you say “insure” you mean “ensure”.

      c) Why would T-Mobile provide docks and laptops? Since when did T-Mobile become a hardware manufacturer like Motorola.

      d) If T-Mobile is trying to capture the low end market, declining to carry hardware that isn’t 3.5G HSPA+ wouldn’t make any sense.

      e) Why are parks so important to you? Are you a pedophile?

      f) I’ve answered my first, rhetorical question for you; You are indeed sir, a retard.

      • While I can appreciate disagreement, calling someone that name isn’t allowed around here. Choose alternative language.

      • Anonymous

        Two things are obvious from your post YouHave. a filthy mind. If you pour clean water in a dirty bucket, the water will become filthy as well. Its obvious that’s where your reply came from.

        You have taken a direct attack on me, are you an iPhone fan? or a Samsung rep trying to counter my posts? I would not see any other reason for a personal attack otherwise.

        Regardless, due to civility I will response to your filthy reply with an honest and clean mind (hope you can keep yours that way).

        a) Takes a person with a dirty mind to think bad, guess you are one. Parks, because a lot of families do like to go camping and want to stay connected. Personally don’t have time to visit parks, last time I was in one was over four years ago. And may I clarify about parks, I had places like the Smokey Mountains, or Ozarks in mind, where people go on vacation, not your neighborhood parks.

        b) Oh well, point taken, English is not my native language, I’m sure you would do worse if you tried mine.

        c) The fact that you don’t see the benefit of a dock and a virtual machine, goes to show you your lack of foresight and knowledge within a technological environment or for corporations. This is an ideal scenario for anyone on the go. Everything nicely packed on a company citrix vm in the cloud, and your “phone-laptop” gives you all you need, including large displays or multiple displays. Beside the savings a corporation would be able to gain by just maintaining everything virtual an one Android device, instead of maintaining a BB server for the phones, a VPN for the network and all the range of laptops companies have. Ask your local IT personnel for advice.

        d) Your thinking about parks again, guess you need to be checked out by a professional, your mind seems corrupted.

        e) No need to reply here.

        • justmehernowV2.0

          Hello, good job with you’re English pal. I commend you for your efforts. Apparently you read English as poorly as you write it. My point about the dock is that AT&T did not make the Atrix dock. Why would T-Mobile start supplying hardware accessories for different phones. Apple makes the iPhone dock, Motorola makes the Atrix dock. Why, WHY do people think that a wireless carrier is anything more than that? You’re cable company doesn’t do these things. A service provider provides you with a service. That’s it. T-Mobile should be expanding their coverage to those areas where it will impact the most people; not creepy people, parents who should be paying attention to their kids, and homeless people in parks. Also, when you are trying to say you are, you should spell the contraction as you’re. Finally, if you work for a company who thinks that a device like the Atrix would make a suitable desktop replacement, you should probably reconsider the company you work for. A smart phone with guts of 6+ year old laptops on services with a 2-5gb monthly service cap is no suitable laptop or desktop replacement… Especially not for a real business.

          Does anyone else remember when tech sites were populated with intelligent people?

        • Mick

          It’s ironic; you’re lecturing this guy on “your” vs. “you’re” while you’re screwing it up yourself (referring to “you’re cable company” in your post). And then questioning his intelligence. Brilliant.

  • Anonymous

    T-Mobile doesn’t have to do anything. They are doing great. When they have an interview like this and a particular carrier is mentioned, that’s flattering. It means they know who they are trying to shoot for. They are going to do it with the same speeds and more money, lol. I’m tired of people complaining they want T-Mobile to become a top notch carrier. I don’t want my prices to go up. I want it to stay cheap and it does everything I want right now. If you want a top notch carrier just leave for one instead of bitching. It will be more data speed for the rest of us who don’t complain.

  • Mark

    With all the 4G speed discussions, in comes an announcement from Magenta UK that they’re slashing data caps to 500 MB. Any word on whether this might happen here? What’s next, the Tmo Android builds won’t have the Youtube app included?

    Press coverage: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/broadband/364237/t-mobile-says-download-at-home-after-slashing-data-cap
    T-Mobile source: http://support.t-mobile.co.uk/help-and-support/index?page=home&cat=DATA_CHANGES

    • Anonymous

      I saw that earlier. I really hope that does not happen here!!!

      • There is no way this would happen here. This isn’t out of the realm of possibility given overseas data packages currently in existence. It would not be tolerated here, customers would leave in droves.

    • Anonymous

      I saw that earlier. I really hope that does not happen here!!!

    • Anonymous

      They are welcome to slash the cap here but if you are already under contract they can’t alter the terms of that contract, thus it would effect only new customers.

    • Anonymous

      They are welcome to slash the cap here but if you are already under contract they can’t alter the terms of that contract, thus it would effect only new customers.

  • Anonymous

    Welp, the mythical Verizon iPhone has now become an official reality.

  • Sorry

    Tmobile is doing great? Is that a joke? I work for tmobile and you can trust things are not great. They have really dropped the ball the past year. Losing customers, dropping in customer service satisfaction.. Not to mention that ces was an absolute joke.

    • butnakedavenger

      The market I work in has been doing amazing numbers for the past year. i won’t say the results are typical, but the shift in focus has really helped us. And i believe the new division in operations should only help in the coming year.

      • Newsin

        I doubt he works for T-Mobile. Being a Field Tech for some time I know how the network is.. Each market has their ups and downs… if he would have worked at T-Mobile he would have known that. The Portland market is excellent. iPhone is a fad… Its like having Prada Shoes or a Findi Bag. That’s all it is.

        If Developers for Android and WM7 actually bothered making Apps for the phones that were compairable to iPhones people wouldn’t even bother with the iPhone. Basically the iPhone is for people with to much time on their hands and all they want to do is play with Apps… Ill admit some of the Apps are awesome.. ( mostly the photo editing apps ) but if all I wanted to do is play Angry Birds I could do that on Android.

  • thanks for getting us the iphone 4 tmobile…NOT!

    verizon now has the iphone 4 *sigh*

    • Anonymous

      Do you really want a step back in technology?

  • Rvaslacker

    Wow, hardcore fans of *anything* can be delusional, and clearly T-Mob is no exception. Sure, they’re doing great….

    Bleeding customers left and right. Forcing their employees to cram features on accounts because “They’re not making money on the ones they have left”. I notice there’s no update as to why the big Black Friday event was cancelled….

    Good thing TMO isn’t publicly traded, it’d be de-listed by now… The only thing they had left was good customer service, and I question whether or not that was ever a reality. My experience has been that stores will tell you anything you want to hear to make a sale, and CSRs will say whatever they need to get you off the phone in about 5 minutes. The last time I called I noticed a major shift in the way I as being handled. The rep kept trying to add “30 days of FREE mobile web!” without my consent, and I could hear someone in the background celebrating…. YES CELEBRATING that he was pushing those features! How unprofessional.

    • Aztec

      A tmo support person in http://www.howardforums.com is saying tmo is now telling them to push harder to add on features to the point that they’ll put it on anyway without your permission. I’ve been reading more of these things happening to people recently too.

      • Anonymous

        That’s more of a case of an employee not knowing how to make a sale or do their job and getting reprimanded for poor performance. T-Mobile’s not forcing any employee to put a gun to a customers head and add data. Employees should be right-fitting customers with the correct devices and that’s what taught at T-Mobile. If the circumstance differs, it’s because the employee is doing their own thing and is getting heat for it or it’s an indirect dealer making rules up.

    • Anonymous

      Um you do know that T-Mobile is publicly traded right? DT is the stock symbol, go check out their stock.

  • Snoopy07

    Verizon got the iphone today, come on t-mobile your next in line, get the iphone 5 deal, your loyal customer will enjoy it.

  • Well I am perfectly fine with Tmobile speed increases and they are very noticeable…I am actually able to play Xbox Live one Tmobiles network without a hitch and I am loving it :-)

  • EnviroG

    I trying to stick around, but hoping the iphone comes to Magenta soon-aka June/July this year!

    EnviroG

  • Tom A.

    T mobile is competing well with the other carriers, especially with price. However, if I don’t see them take a serious step to building a LTE network I’m going to seriously consider switching to a different provider when my contract is up in a year.

  • Tom A.

    T mobile is competing well with the other carriers, especially with price. However, if I don’t see them take a serious step to building a LTE network I’m going to seriously consider switching to a different provider when my contract is up in a year.

    • Robcii

      lte is still a new technology and t-mobile has already stated they’ll move to in the future but not while its still in its infancy

    • Robcii

      lte is still a new technology and t-mobile has already stated they’ll move to in the future but not while its still in its infancy

    • Robcii

      lte is still a new technology and t-mobile has already stated they’ll move to in the future but not while its still in its infancy

  • Tom A.

    T mobile is competing well with the other carriers, especially with price. However, if I don’t see them take a serious step to building a LTE network I’m going to seriously consider switching to a different provider when my contract is up in a year.

  • Tom A.

    T mobile is competing well with the other carriers, especially with price. However, if I don’t see them take a serious step to building a LTE network I’m going to seriously consider switching to a different provider when my contract is up in a year.

  • Unknown

    Why is everyone wanting an iphone with tmobile? One of the crappy android phones will out do a iphone

  • Unknown

    Why is everyone wanting an iphone with tmobile? One of the crappy android phones will out do a iphone

  • Unknown

    Why is everyone wanting an iphone with tmobile? One of the crappy android phones will out do a iphone

  • Unknown

    Why is everyone wanting an iphone with tmobile? One of the crappy android phones will out do a iphone

  • Timfresh

    I have 2 admit, I was about 2 dump t-mobile wn the Evo came out. Glad i didnt make that dumb decision.
    $79 unlimited everything (no contract) and speeds faster than my dsl. My nexus s kills the evo.

    • Richardyarrell

      Everyone can SLEEP on sprint if you want to but let’s REMEMBER exactly who had 4G FIRST and who had the FIRST 4G DEVICE ON THE MARKET IN JUNE 2010 THAT WAS SPRINT AND THE HTC EVO 4G IS THE GRANDDADDY OF 4G ANDROID DEVICES NOTHING WAS BETTER IN 2010 AND WHEN SPRINT ANNOUNCES THE NEW HTC EVO 2 4G AT CTIA IN MARCH 2011 THEY WILL AGAIN HAVE THE BEST SMARTPHONE DEVICE IN THE INDUSTRY ON THE BEST CARRIER IN THE INDUSTRY WITH PROVEN 4G SERVICE AND UNLIMITED DATA FOREVER… HTC EVO RULES ANDROID AND SPRINT RULES AS WELL

      • Guest

        Calm down, it’s just a phone.

      • BeCareful

        “Unlimited” only where there is WIMAX. That is not very many places. They have a 350MB cap, with overage penalties, which is ridiculous if you roam off of Sprint’s network. Read the fine print, it is not pretty and Sprint has a pretty skinny network in a lot of the U.S.

      • BeCareful

        “Unlimited” only where there is WIMAX. That is not very many places. They have a 350MB cap, with overage penalties, which is ridiculous if you roam off of Sprint’s network. Read the fine print, it is not pretty and Sprint has a pretty skinny network in a lot of the U.S.

      • BeCareful

        “Unlimited” only where there is WIMAX. That is not very many places. They have a 350MB cap, with overage penalties, which is ridiculous if you roam off of Sprint’s network. Read the fine print, it is not pretty and Sprint has a pretty skinny network in a lot of the U.S.

      • BeCareful

        “Unlimited” only where there is WIMAX. That is not very many places. They have a 350MB cap, with overage penalties, which is ridiculous if you roam off of Sprint’s network. Read the fine print, it is not pretty and Sprint has a pretty skinny network in a lot of the U.S.

      • Matt

        The EVO is only good if you’re located near a charger at all times. I was a technician for Sprint and had to hear people complain about the EVO’s pathetic battery life all the time. It’s true that Sprint was the first company with 4G devices but that’s because they jumped the gun and went with WiMax. Here we are now just a little over a half a year later and Sprint now has the country’s slowest 3G and 4G networks. Not to mention the fact that Sprint doesn’t even own their own 4G network, it’s Clearwire’s and last time I heard they are about to run out of operating cash, so I hope you like the tiny 4G footprint because it’s likely to stay that way.

        • Anonymous

          Here in New York sprint is king my friend, And the Evo 4g has been the granddaddy of 4g from day verizon wish they had a device that could match the evo in sales as well as appeal. And now with the Htc evo 3d on the scene verizon IS SECOND FIDDLE..No thunderbolt will ever be better than no evo 3d. Matter of fact the Evo family of devices on sprint simply PIMP SLAPS and family of droid devices on Verizon. You can take that to the bank

  • Newsis

    Only bad thing about 4G… Its a Battery Hog lol.

  • To be completely honest; verizon may have all these 4G speeds, but them taking time out of their schedule to actually take a shot at t-mobile is enough proof to show they’re threatened by us.

    T-Mo has faster 4G speeds than any carrier I feel like T-Mo is run by the chinese instead of the British. They’re really taking time and pacing themselves when they’re releasing and its working. Now what I really would like is to see some of their phones drop first or atleast with the next generation equipment. What’s the point of a Galaxy S without a dual core processor, no flash when the next generation of galaxy smartphones is coming with this and a lot more. I don’t get it.

    They need more heat to stay in the game atleast if they really want to attack all fronts. They need high, mid and low covered and verizon has that with their Droid phones, and combination of blackberry phones.

    I still think T-Mo’s gonna triumph though; LETS GO T-MO!

    • Clark

      well tmo is kind of run by the Germans not the japanese or british…;-) verizon is part of the british vodafone group…but i agree with you…

  • To be completely honest; verizon may have all these 4G speeds, but them taking time out of their schedule to actually take a shot at t-mobile is enough proof to show they’re threatened by us.

    T-Mo has faster 4G speeds than any carrier I feel like T-Mo is run by the chinese instead of the British. They’re really taking time and pacing themselves when they’re releasing and its working. Now what I really would like is to see some of their phones drop first or atleast with the next generation equipment. What’s the point of a Galaxy S without a dual core processor, no flash when the next generation of galaxy smartphones is coming with this and a lot more. I don’t get it.

    They need more heat to stay in the game atleast if they really want to attack all fronts. They need high, mid and low covered and verizon has that with their Droid phones, and combination of blackberry phones.

    I still think T-Mo’s gonna triumph though; LETS GO T-MO!

  • A92drls

    Yep, I’m a T-Mo CSR, I’ve worked there for 4 years and can agree, were being forced to make sales now.. It used to be scored on courtesy, concern, timely resolution and knowledge. Now we don’t really get scores, just graded on our overall stats. We MUST make an offer to add web/message etc.. on EVERY call or you’re not doing your job… Not cool T-Mo. I’ve been there through thick and thin and things are headed south. Customers don’t like being sold unless theres a good reason to bring something up that would fit their plan better. I hope this is a phase, they do tend to change things alllll the time.. Plus, I cannot wait until that free 30 day web is over, too many damn reps are adding it just because. C’mon now..

  • A92drls

    Yep, I’m a T-Mo CSR, I’ve worked there for 4 years and can agree, were being forced to make sales now.. It used to be scored on courtesy, concern, timely resolution and knowledge. Now we don’t really get scores, just graded on our overall stats. We MUST make an offer to add web/message etc.. on EVERY call or you’re not doing your job… Not cool T-Mo. I’ve been there through thick and thin and things are headed south. Customers don’t like being sold unless theres a good reason to bring something up that would fit their plan better. I hope this is a phase, they do tend to change things alllll the time.. Plus, I cannot wait until that free 30 day web is over, too many damn reps are adding it just because. C’mon now..

  • A92drls

    Yep, I’m a T-Mo CSR, I’ve worked there for 4 years and can agree, were being forced to make sales now.. It used to be scored on courtesy, concern, timely resolution and knowledge. Now we don’t really get scores, just graded on our overall stats. We MUST make an offer to add web/message etc.. on EVERY call or you’re not doing your job… Not cool T-Mo. I’ve been there through thick and thin and things are headed south. Customers don’t like being sold unless theres a good reason to bring something up that would fit their plan better. I hope this is a phase, they do tend to change things alllll the time.. Plus, I cannot wait until that free 30 day web is over, too many damn reps are adding it just because. C’mon now..

  • A92drls

    Yep, I’m a T-Mo CSR, I’ve worked there for 4 years and can agree, were being forced to make sales now.. It used to be scored on courtesy, concern, timely resolution and knowledge. Now we don’t really get scores, just graded on our overall stats. We MUST make an offer to add web/message etc.. on EVERY call or you’re not doing your job… Not cool T-Mo. I’ve been there through thick and thin and things are headed south. Customers don’t like being sold unless theres a good reason to bring something up that would fit their plan better. I hope this is a phase, they do tend to change things alllll the time.. Plus, I cannot wait until that free 30 day web is over, too many damn reps are adding it just because. C’mon now..

  • A92drls

    Yep, I’m a T-Mo CSR, I’ve worked there for 4 years and can agree, were being forced to make sales now.. It used to be scored on courtesy, concern, timely resolution and knowledge. Now we don’t really get scores, just graded on our overall stats. We MUST make an offer to add web/message etc.. on EVERY call or you’re not doing your job… Not cool T-Mo. I’ve been there through thick and thin and things are headed south. Customers don’t like being sold unless theres a good reason to bring something up that would fit their plan better. I hope this is a phase, they do tend to change things alllll the time.. Plus, I cannot wait until that free 30 day web is over, too many damn reps are adding it just because. C’mon now..

    • Ghost

      I’m a CSR as well and the changes that are being made really do suck. I hate having to sell to people when they are not interested in something. I know personally if I want something I ask for it and I don’t want someone trying to force feed me something I don’t want or need. I too hope this is just a terrible phase.

      • Calvinwatterson

        I call shananagins:
        I too am a tmo csr for 5 years with them and I have been given no push for sales at all. We are pushed to provide preventative mesures to lower customer call backs but that is it.

    • Ghost

      I’m a CSR as well and the changes that are being made really do suck. I hate having to sell to people when they are not interested in something. I know personally if I want something I ask for it and I don’t want someone trying to force feed me something I don’t want or need. I too hope this is just a terrible phase.

  •  5 mbs is good enough for anything you could do in a phone, even video chat especially tmobiles low latency.
    and to pay $45 + tax just to get an average of maybe 2 mbs isnt worth it for me.ill save money and get what i want which is cheap prices plans and i wont miss out on speed nor innovation. do they have wifi calling?no & if they did would they make it unlimited wifi calling? nope theyll charge you another $20. Tmobile has innovations you wont find on any other network,when you call customer service you dont even have to wait on line theyll call you back and you wont lose your spot! and most of the hot phones that come from overseas come with tmobile bands, examples are the nokia N900, the nexus 1 & nexus s….alot of things that other companies wouldnt even dream of allowing tmobile does…which is why its sad to see them get eaten up by the most limited network in the world…so im going to the next innovative company & its sprint,theyve made a deal with google to incorporate a couple of there google apps not just into there phones & data network, but into the network itself. the first app we’re seeing is the google voice. next will be the voip over wifi for free like tmobiles wifi calling app, but this ones built into android itself & will be a sprint exlusive which is pretty impressive for those times you go international just like you could do with tmobiles, its just that if tmobile turns into at&t ill have a company just as innovative and that what i really care about….its the little things that count.

  • Counsel Dew

    Tony can’t think his network is all that great…

    http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1545621

    http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=24019

    I’d like him to solve our problem!