T-Mobile’s Definition Of 4G

Ever since T-Mobile officially announced its HSPA+ network as “America’s largest 4G network”, there has been much argument among the carriers over what exactly “4G” is, and thus the “4G wars” began. Receiving criticism from both Sprint and AT&T, Magenta continues to stand by its 4G claims and rightfully so. According to the ITU, not a single carrier in the U.S. currently meets the global standard for an accepted 4G network (yes, that includes Verizon and AT&T’s upcoming LTE networks along with Sprint’s ‘not as good as they think it is’ WiMAX network). In order to clear up the confusion, Magenta explains what 4G is and why T-Mobile currently has the largest 4G network. T-Mobile’s 4G definititon is as follows:

4G is about performance. With the upgrades that T-Mobile has made to our network, we are delivering 4G performance with our HSPA+ based network. Some of our comptetitors have defined the 4G experience in terms of download speeds on so-called WiMAX netowrks. Not only does T-Mobile’s own testing indicate that our network achieves 4G speeds, but independent reviewers report seeing speeds that match and beat competitors so-called 4G technologies

Magenta also goes on to exactly how it has America’s largest 4G network, claiming that currently T-Mobile’s 4G network offers 4G speeds to more people than any other wireless broadband network in the country, and they’re still expanding. T-Mobile states that its network to date is available in more than 80 major metropolitan areas and are on track to reach their goal of 200 million people before the end of this year. Additionally, T-Mobile plans to keep up with the competition by planning to increase its 4G speeds from 21 Mbps to 42 Mbps beginning next year. Hit the jump for answers to more FAQs. Be sure to leave your thoughts in the comments!

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  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=792144454 Tyler Jacobs

    Can’t wait for what T-Mobile’s gonna say when AT&T and Verizon have true 4G networks…

    • Choola

      True LTE network……..there is nothing like true LTE network and even so its is 3G+ only……. can expect Advanced LTE (which is the actual 4G) around 4/5yrs from now.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=792144454 Tyler Jacobs

        This.

        • Anonymous

          Choola is essentially right LTE is not 4G LTE advanced is 4G but what may be wrong about him is that verizon may upgrade their towers to LTE-Advanced next year

        • somebody

          im pretty sure 4 g = 4th generation technology

          its kinda like buying a Mustang putting a spoiler on it and calling a Bugatti.. doesn’t work that way even if it is a little faster…

          in the end of the day the only people being f’d in the ass is us paying 30$ a month for internet and 15 $ to tether…

          hows that plan going for tmobil btw?

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jamille-Browne/1184321457 Jamille Browne

          LOL child please. That has to be the worst analogy I ever heard but I digress that analogy is not applicable here you can’t compare automotive to mobile devices. The two are in no way the same but in any case you are wrong like I noted before HSPA+ is T-mobile’s 4th kind of technology. Anyone that pays $15 extra for tethering is dumb. All you have to do is root and its free. Its not like you are getting extra bandwidth anyways. They can’t tell.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jamille-Browne/1184321457 Jamille Browne

          LOL child please. That has to be the worst analogy I ever heard but I digress that analogy is not applicable here you can’t compare automotive to mobile devices. The two are in no way the same but in any case you are wrong like I noted before HSPA+ is T-mobile’s 4th kind of technology. Anyone that pays $15 extra for tethering is dumb. All you have to do is root and its free. Its not like you are getting extra bandwidth anyways. They can’t tell.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=792144454 Tyler Jacobs

        This.

    • Choola

      True LTE network……..there is nothing like true LTE network and even so its is 3G+ only……. can expect Advanced LTE (which is the actual 4G) around 4/5yrs from now.

    • Choola

      True LTE network……..there is nothing like true LTE network and even so its is 3G+ only……. can expect Advanced LTE (which is the actual 4G) around 4/5yrs from now.

    • http://cosmicbreeze.tumblr.com/ DtheArtist

      Nothing, because by the time that happens T-Mobile’s HSPA+ network will have increased, so much it’s what AT&T & Verizon will have to say back to T-Mobile once that choke hold grips on like iron.

    • http://cosmicbreeze.tumblr.com/ DtheArtist

      Nothing, because by the time that happens T-Mobile’s HSPA+ network will have increased, so much it’s what AT&T & Verizon will have to say back to T-Mobile once that choke hold grips on like iron.

    • http://cosmicbreeze.tumblr.com/ DtheArtist

      Nothing, because by the time that happens T-Mobile’s HSPA+ network will have increased, so much it’s what AT&T & Verizon will have to say back to T-Mobile once that choke hold grips on like iron.

    • http://twitter.com/CesarBohorquez Cesar Bohorquez

      Nothing…Verizon and AT&T are upgrading to the same technology T-Mobile already has so they will be in the same level. Right now T-Mobile has the fastest and network in the country and if Sprint can call their network 4G when in reality it is not why can’t T-Mobile? Also T-Mobile is not charging their customers $10 extra a moth for their 4G like Sprint is….

      • Anonymous

        I’m thankfull that they aren’t charging extra money for HSPA+

      • Anonymous

        I’m thankfull that they aren’t charging extra money for HSPA+

      • Anonymous

        I’m thankfull that they aren’t charging extra money for HSPA+

      • Anonymous

        Lets also not forget we aren’t BORROWING 4G Towers from clearwire like sprint, of which would be why they pay an extra $10 a month for ’4G’.

      • Anonymous

        actually you are wrong… Verizon is upgrading to LTE which is not what t-mobile is using…

    • http://twitter.com/CesarBohorquez Cesar Bohorquez

      Nothing…Verizon and AT&T are upgrading to the same technology T-Mobile already has so they will be in the same level. Right now T-Mobile has the fastest and network in the country and if Sprint can call their network 4G when in reality it is not why can’t T-Mobile? Also T-Mobile is not charging their customers $10 extra a moth for their 4G like Sprint is….

    • LOL

      When AT&T and Verizon have Tmobile’s 4g networks, Tmobile will have true 4G

      • Anonymous

        wrong…..true 4g is lte-advanced, and no carrier has stated that they are going to that…..

      • http://twitter.com/raitchison raitchison

        Somehow I doubt that, AT&T and VZW are rolling out LTE right now where TMO won’t start with their own LTE network for at least another year. Once LTE is rolled out it will be much easier to upgrade to LTE Advanced which is what will bring true 4G speeds.

        Right now TMO has the fastest 3G network, faster than the other 3G networks that their competition has called “4G” but their late adoption of LTE will inevitably delay their adoption of true 4G speeds (minimum of 100MBps per the ITU)

    • LOL

      When AT&T and Verizon have Tmobile’s 4g networks, Tmobile will have true 4G

  • mmeyer4663

    Sorry. ITU wins. T-Mobile’s network is NOT 4G according to the ITU standards.
    And standards are what matters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • K-rock

      I agree. That is why I’m getting the HD7. It is still fast on a wireless network even though they call it 3G. Once they hit 50mb then they start the 4G standards.

      • Anonymous

        Eait, you’re getting a slower phone just because the faster phone isn’t true 4G? That’s what it sounds like you’re saying. But that doesn’t make sense.

        • K-rock

          Yes, slightly slower in network bandwidth because I’m not falling for the hype. Other hardware specs bottleneck far before the bandwidth, unless you’re tethering. What can you really do on a theoretical 14.4 or WIFI over a 7.2?

        • Anonymous

          I can load flash-filled websites in half the time, that’s what I can do.
          That boost, small as it may be, makes a real difference in usability.

        • K-rock

          I currently use a blackberry 8900 on WIFI all day long. It takes over 4 minutes rendor tmonews site. Hows does a flash based site load faster on a 14.4 vs 7.2 connections? I have a core i7 with a 2mb connection and they load instant? Maybe if the flash was a movie stream..

        • Anonymous

          My myTouch4G renders T-Monews in about 30 to 40 seconds (the full site). I
          don’t know about the numbers, but that’s how long it takes.

        • http://twitter.com/CesarBohorquez Cesar Bohorquez

          Good luck running slower speeds on your phone…

        • http://twitter.com/chaoscentral John Pisano

          the fact that I can stream movies from southparkstudios.com or adultswim.com without waiting for it to buffer over a 3G connection on my non HSPA+ Vibrant I don’t care about a few seconds. 6mbps is plenty fast for a mobile network

        • Misterr Markell

          Im actually using Netflicks on my NON HSPA+ vibrant!!! No issue no buffing while watching a movie either…I downloaded a 150mb file in less than 5 minutes now if you can do that on any of the carriers networks as of RIGHT NOW let me know otherwise shut the noise…lol and I am using real world test for a reason ;-)

        • K-rock

          Yes, slightly slower in network bandwidth because I’m not falling for the hype. Other hardware specs bottleneck far before the bandwidth, unless you’re tethering. What can you really do on a theoretical 14.4 or WIFI over a 7.2?

    • http://cosmicbreeze.tumblr.com/ DtheArtist

      #fail

    • Izzy

      so EVEN sprint doesn’t have the right to say 4g then, and they have a 2 phones called 4

    • Izzy

      so EVEN sprint doesn’t have the right to say 4g then, and they have a 2 phones called 4

      • http://twitter.com/raitchison raitchison

        In Sprint’s defense they started calling their WiMax network “4G” well before the ITU standard was announced. TMO on the other hand did not slap the “4G” label on their 3G network until after the ITU had defined exactly what was required to be called 4G.

        Additionally, at least WiMax (as well as LTE) are upgradeable to true 4G (in the form of WiMax2 and LTE Advanced) where even if HSPA+ reaches the 42MBps speeds they are talking about they will be less than half the 4G spec requirements.

  • CJ

    6.58 down in Cincinnati!!!

  • OneUpDave

    I love you, T-Mobile, and appreciate the highly competitive spirit, but let’s not be too hasty here. ITU has the final word, and NO ONE here will have 4G. Just say that you’re playing your competitor’s game, but it’s not true 4G. This is just a huge setup to confuse users once gigabit speeds actually arrive.

  • Anonymous

    Since none of the major carriers technically have the 4G standard, its fair game. Good Job T-Mobile

    Also 7Mbps down here in Birmingham, AL (Mytouch4G)

  • http://cosmicbreeze.tumblr.com/ DtheArtist

    T-Mobile >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

  • Cybersedan

    Go T-Mobile!!!

    I completely agree here, since 4G seems to have been redefined in the US by all other carriers as “Faster than 3G speeds”, why not! At the end of the day what matters to customers is network speed, and today T-Mobile has the fastest speeds.

    • Hawarra

      The statement from TMo had me on the fence until I read your comment. Really good way to put it, thanks!

    • Keenan12q

      fastest speed yes but on my G2 i passed 5 gigs of use and i got a text message saying my data will be going down to 2g speeds. im running on edge for now. tmobile doesnt have the spectrum to do unlimited data thats why tmobile has the most outtages.

      • http://www.facebook.com/MatthewSki Matthew Kalinowski

        that has never happened to me and i dont think i know anyone that has happened to them i believe you im just saying it never happened to me or anyone ik that sucks

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GRIFVUHCR7SCF2J4ACDIVSVGJM Hilton T.Y

    My only concern is will they spend so much time increasing speeds on the 4G network that people who are on the fringe of a 4G area will still be on EDGE in three years. I literally am a 10-15 min drive from the closest 4G tower in a neighboring city and whenever I call T-mo to inquire about whether I should wait or switch the tech kinda says “that’s fine”.

  • Mike

    From the article and I quote

    “along with Sprint’s shitty WiMAX network”

    Was that really necessarily? I mean come on..I haven’t used Sprints WiMax, but from the Youtube speedtests it looks on par if not better than T Mobiles “4G” plus Sprint doesn’t have a bandwidth cap on their 4G. That alone makes it better. The only problem with Sprint VS. T Mobile is that they can’t roll out their 4G network fast enough. To bad those rumors of Sprint using Wal Mart stores to broadcast 4G from that would of REALLY put them on the map..but then again a city would need more towers than just what a stores roof could do.

    And yes this is coming from a T Mobile G2 customer.

    • http://tmonews.com David

      Mike, thanks for catching that…I edited the line a little, though nobody around these parts thinks that high of Sprint’s network in the first place, so we’re a little bias to begin with.

    • GrammarNazi

      Please check your usage of the word “to” in your statement.

      Example:

      I went to the store to buy two phones. They weren’t too expensive with their pricing. They’re going to monopolize the phone industry!

      -GrammarNazi

  • Mike

    From the article and I quote

    “along with Sprint’s shitty WiMAX network”

    Was that really necessarily? I mean come on..I haven’t used Sprints WiMax, but from the Youtube speedtests it looks on par if not better than T Mobiles “4G” plus Sprint doesn’t have a bandwidth cap on their 4G. That alone makes it better. The only problem with Sprint VS. T Mobile is that they can’t roll out their 4G network fast enough. To bad those rumors of Sprint using Wal Mart stores to broadcast 4G from that would of REALLY put them on the map..but then again a city would need more towers than just what a stores roof could do.

    And yes this is coming from a T Mobile G2 customer.

  • Russ

    Totally reasonable, you can’t play 100% by the rules and expect to win, not in real life.

    If by ITU definition, no one has 4G, then until Sprint/Verizon/AT&T are told they can’t advertise as having 4G, it’s perfectly reasonable for T-Mobile to say they do. Especially since their data network is as fast or the fastest in the US.

    Standards might be standards, but unl;ess a standard is applied to the other carriers, it’s perfectly fair for T-Mobile to claim they have 4G.

  • TMoFan

    T-Mobile rocks the house! They’re smart to roll out HSPA+ as fast as they can. At the end of the day all carriers use marketing gimmicks and people really care about speed. The speeds that HSPA+ deliver turns heads and they’ll happily walk into a T-Mobile store to sign up. Any other carrier can’t talk because they do the same thing. T-Mobile is only doing it better than them. Go T-Mobile!

  • Detroitking02

    i’m got 12 mbps today on my hd7 even though sprint charges $10 for there 4G they also have no cap on there bandwidth

    • Vibrant Guy

      What are you using to test the speeds on your HD7? I get 8mb down on my Mytouch 4G, and on my HD7 I get about 14mb….but I would love to know what you are using to test your HD7? Those are great speeds…

    • http://tmonews.com David

      That’s impossible considering the HD7 caps at 7.2.

    • http://www.facebook.com/MatthewSki Matthew Kalinowski

      what ever test your using is not good because the speed test app tells me im getting 4-5 down on my behold 2 and this web site tells me i get like 19 down so your speed is def wrong

      • Android Fanboy

        HD7 is not a 4g phone, the modem max’s out at 7.2 mbs. 4G cap is 42 mbs, and those speeds aren’t here until next year, I can’t imagine a need for anything more for at least 5+ years. Also, I can’t imagine Wi-Craps will ever hit that mark.

        The international standard is interesting, and difficult to do, at least in the U.S. European countries have a mini tower on every telephone pole / light, it’s a very open market and unique in the United States we compete for tower space, which is also why service overseas is dirt cheap. Besides for those folks that want to talk about international standards ask yourself why Sprint and Verizon are not GSM. I love when Verizon gets all excited about their “World Phones” it’s cute. With AT&T and T-Mobile their absolute junkiest phone is a world phone.

        Oh and someone above said AT&T is using LTE also, I was almost positive that they were building HSPA+, it would only be logical since all they have now is HSPA, must do more research but I “think” I am correct.

        I completely agree, with T-Mo News, begun these 4G wars have, and right now the Magenta has won the first round, and I think they might just have a knockout in round 2, if they can get 42mbs going in 2011 that alone will make them the absolute fastest until 2012 maybe 2013.

      • Android Fanboy

        HD7 is not a 4g phone, the modem max’s out at 7.2 mbs. 4G cap is 42 mbs, and those speeds aren’t here until next year, I can’t imagine a need for anything more for at least 5+ years. Also, I can’t imagine Wi-Craps will ever hit that mark.

        The international standard is interesting, and difficult to do, at least in the U.S. European countries have a mini tower on every telephone pole / light, it’s a very open market and unique in the United States we compete for tower space, which is also why service overseas is dirt cheap. Besides for those folks that want to talk about international standards ask yourself why Sprint and Verizon are not GSM. I love when Verizon gets all excited about their “World Phones” it’s cute. With AT&T and T-Mobile their absolute junkiest phone is a world phone.

        Oh and someone above said AT&T is using LTE also, I was almost positive that they were building HSPA+, it would only be logical since all they have now is HSPA, must do more research but I “think” I am correct.

        I completely agree, with T-Mo News, begun these 4G wars have, and right now the Magenta has won the first round, and I think they might just have a knockout in round 2, if they can get 42mbs going in 2011 that alone will make them the absolute fastest until 2012 maybe 2013.

        • http://www.facebook.com/MatthewSki Matthew Kalinowski

          haha i when on a diff web site with the mytouch 4g and it told me i got 200mbs thats deff wrong lol i just wanted to use that as prof dont trust web sites only trust the speed test apps lol

        • http://www.facebook.com/MatthewSki Matthew Kalinowski

          haha i when on a diff web site with the mytouch 4g and it told me i got 200mbs thats deff wrong lol i just wanted to use that as prof dont trust web sites only trust the speed test apps lol

  • going_home

    Go get em TMO !

  • john

    i just wish i could get decent 3g speeds in hawaii. getting a miserable 0.5 mbps on a good day.

    and please, don’t give me ‘isn’t being in hawaii enough?’ it’s not.

    • Anonymous

      Wow, I wish I got 500kbs down… On a good day, I’ll pull 80kbs where I live… i’ve heard rumers that they’re expecting to have 3G here by the end of the year, but we’ll see…

    • Anonymous

      Wow, I wish I got 500kbs down… On a good day, I’ll pull 80kbs where I live… i’ve heard rumers that they’re expecting to have 3G here by the end of the year, but we’ll see…

  • Grammatica di Polizia

    If no one has 4G then no one can complain about the other.

    TMobile is right, 4G is about speed, not a particular technology. It’s a term that has come to mean faster than 3G. End of debate.

    Looks to me that TMobile competitors are simply mad. But they can’t do anything to stop TMobile from advertising it has 4G.

    And ITU standards, that does not mean anything since they only recommend standards. They are not the final word on what is what.

    • johnkzin

      T-Mobile is full of crap. 4G is not about performance/speed, 4G is, among other things, how the data is delivered to your device (no more separation of “voice” and “data” signals, as one feature). Increased speed and performance are a result of 4G, but they are not the meat and potatoes of 4G. Not even close.

      That statement comes from the people who define what the 3G and 4G terms mean, when it comes to wireless technology. Every other definition is 100% unadulterated marketing BS.

      That’s what T-Mobile has taught us today. That they’re just as full of crap as Sprint.

  • Anonymous

    Something you all forget is that Sprint does not have any bandwidth caps, unlike t-mobile.
    Speed isn’t everything if you can’t use it to the fullest.
    For example, I use 20gb of data per month on my evo and hotspot….and i never get charged overage or experience slow downs…this is on 4g and 3g…
    Also even with the $10 extra fee on 4g phones, sprint is still a better value when you figure in unlimited any mobile anytime calling(any network) and the fact that nights start at 7pm, free telenav based gps navigation($10 on t-mobile) that is better than google nav….free sprint tv($10 extra on t-mobile as t-mobile tv)

    the any mobile any time feature is why i left t-mobile…i was able to downgrade from a 1000 minute plan on t-mobile to the 450 minute plan on sprint because every one i was calling was on a mobile phone, thus making them unlimited…..
    #justsayin

    • tmobileguru

      F%$# sprint….

    • tmobileguru

      F%$# sprint….

    • Incoherentrant

      Sprint has a 5GB cap on their 3G service. Unless you are on their WiMax service which at this time does not have a 5GB cap, although is in far fewer places than 3G.

      It costs 10 dollars extra a month for unlimited use, and it costs the same 30 dollars for data as other carriers like Verizon and T-Mobile to have the exact same 5GB cap. Except Verizon and Sprint have clauses to charge for overage over the 5GB, where as T-Mobile specifies that they do not charge, although throttle down your through-put speeds.

      Facts are fun.

      • http://www.facebook.com/MatthewSki Matthew Kalinowski

        down load skyfire it has 75% less band with on videos and then shut off plugins and you will never go over 5gb =) just saying sprint sucks

      • Bob

        On Sprint there’s no cap at all when using data on a phone, its UNLIMITED.

      • Bob

        On Sprint there’s no cap at all when using data on a phone, its UNLIMITED.

      • Bob

        On Sprint there’s no cap at all when using data on a phone, its UNLIMITED.

      • Scottyinkcmo

        Think god, someone who knows what their talking about!!!

      • Anonymous

        Actually you are wrong…
        On phones sprint does not have a data cap for 3G service..
        On their data only devices there is a 5Gb cap on 3G, but they state that up front.
        I have an EVO, with the hotspot..I know they do not have a 3G data cap because every month I have had the device I’ve used 20Gb of data on 3G, and 4Gb on 4G…
        there was no throttling or overage charges…

        But my point was, even with the $10 fee, sprint is still a better value.

    • Willkid123

      I completely agree, However what many people on this FANBOY blog are forgetting is that Sprint (WiMAX), Verizon, and AT&T’s (LTE) 4G network are actually upgradable to the formal definition of “4g” (Wimax 2, and LTE-advanced), and t-mobile’s current technology is not, and never will be, the best they can hope for is I believe 480mbps. I’m not 100% about Verizon’s LTE network but Sprint’s current WiMAX phones are actually capable with WiMAX 2.

      In addition, T-mobile’s HSPA+ network is not the largest nor the fastest network, did everyone forget that ATT actually holds that title, even without any phone to utilize their network. You may ask “well what good is it if no one on their network can use it?” , well just as T-mobile throw a bunch of phones on their network ATT could do the same. And don’t you think they could have a much better HSPA+ lineup than T-mobile if they wanted to, because it’s been proven that ATT has always had a far better handset lineup than t-mobile. To conclude, T-mobile’s 3G HSPA+ network is in no way anywhere close to being considered 4g, whereas in contrast every other carrier is actually investing in a real technology that is actually and close and upgradable to actual 4g. Will T-mobile’s 3G speeds compete with upcoming 4G networks? Yes, but it is still a 3G technology and makes no strides in becoming 4G.

      • Dark Shadow

        “Only disagreement is on the “ATT has always had a far better handset lineup” Are you talking about the iPhone, cus thats the only good phone they had for a while. It was just now that they started getting Androids. Blackberrys are falling. Not to mention their android lineup isn’t the greatest either.

      • ihatefanboys

        wow u mention fanboys but u sound just like one…..what a long ass rant about BS. u sound like u simply dont like tmo, perhaps u work for AT&T? anyways, tmo has the better network, only a limp, loose brain, loser would even allude to AT&T having a good network or a good selection of phones…as for sprint and verizon, i know people on both networks, and all they say is that they pay alot for almost nothing…and the service sucks too……most are considering switching to tmo, and we are in queens ny…..everyone is going android….even apples 2nd in charge says that android will beat IOS eventually….ur obviously loving on the iphone , especially since thats the only phone they have that people are overpaying for.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jamille-Browne/1184321457 Jamille Browne

        LOL yeah sure for 3G but this is 4G we are talking about. It DOES NOT matter if the technology is upgradeable the fact of the matter is NOBODY HAS 4G! as defined by ITU specs. IT DOES NOT MATTER IF ITS UPGRADEABLE. IT DOES NOT MATTER IF ITS UPGRADEABLE. IT DOES NOT MATTER IF ITS UPGRADEABLE! Fact of the matter is that NOBODY IS 4G! I wish I could triple underline “nobody.” Get it through your thick little head! AT&T IS NEITHER THE FASTEST NOR THE BIGGEST 4G CARRIER. AT&T IS NEITHER THE FASTEST NOR THE BIGGEST 4G CARRIER. AT&T IS NEITHER THE FASTEST NOR THE BIGGEST 4G CARRIER! Fact of the matter is THEY DON’T EVEN HAVE A 4G NETWORK! they still are border-lining HSPA of which we note as 3G 14.4mbps is still on that HSPA line. BTW 14.4 IS SLOWER THAN 21mbps if you didn’t know. AT&T only has the iPhone other than that their devices are crap as far as android goes anyways and 2gb cap haha nice very nice. You can argue closeness to 4G all you want it doesn’t make any carrier any better than T-Mobile. IT STILL DOES NOT MAKE ANY OTHER CARRIER 4G! IT DOES NOT! IT DOES NOT! drop your nonsense.

        LTE- Not 4G
        Wimax – Still not 4G
        HSPA+ – Still not 4G

        Its obviously a marketing term and in any case T-Mobile has the fastest 4G out of the Big 4 there is no arguing that.

        Please take your nonsense elsewhere. Either ALL companies use 4G or ALL companies are not 4G there is no in between like umm well….. theirs is upgradeable or well theirs is closer…. ALL networks are 4G or ALL networks aren’t 4G it is that simple.

    • Scottyinkcmo

      your stuiped, you know nothing about t-mobile plans or data. All you have done is go to worse wireless company with MOST dropped calls to a plan that they call unlimited calling which isnt. Only ulimited calling to mobile call phone. So sprint even hides behind there rate plans not just there network.

    • tjm688

      I think something the sprint fans keep forgetting is that their “4G” runs off clearwire. Clear is only available in certain areas and is not expanding fast enough or possibly not at all. I read an article that said Comcast has pulled their funding from clear as well as Sprint has said they will not be funding it more right now. You gotta have money to expand and they have no money right now to do just that. Wow way to cover 82 million people clear. Tmo will have over 200 million this year. At the end of the day what matters is speed and how many people are covered with that speed.

  • http://www.facebook.com/narcogen David Josselyn

    Bogus. “So-called WiMax networks”? What’s the allegation there– that Sprint/Clearwire aren’t actually using WiMax?

    This is ridiculous. The ITU says that 802.16e and LTE aren’t 4G, but 802.16m and LTE-Advanced are. So either nobody’s current network is 4G, or they both are. Performance is comparable. They should both just admit that “4G” is a marketing, rather than technical term, and quit sniping at each other for using it.

  • Whatyaknow

    Tmonews, in a way you know you guys made it when you got visitors to your site to defend their wireless provider that is not named T-Mobile. Magenta ftw!

  • Anonymous

    T-Mobile 4G is fast. Since my area has been turned on my speeds keep getting faster and the best thing is I’m not paying an extra $10.00 a month. Sprint customers are paying the $10.00 a month even if they are not in 4G area. My speeds are between 3.2 and over 7.5 mb on download and around 1.5 on the upload. My upload speeds are very stable averaging 1.5 mb. It’s the crazy download speeds are so fast my phone smokes. My download speeds with my Nexus One were topping off around 6.5mb. Since I purchased the MyTouch 4G my DL speeds have gone above 7.0 mb. They keep getting faster. I live in a suburb of Boston where my town and the surrounding towns are all on the HSPA+ Network.Thank You T-Mobile – Ruling the Airwaves.

  • blah

    Lets end this debate once and for all. Please read via Wiki – 3G

    International Mobile Telecommunications-2000 (IMT — 2000), better known as 3G or 3rd Generation, is a generation of standards for mobile phones and mobile telecommunications services fulfilling specifications by the International Telecommunication Union.[1] Application services include wide-area wireless voice telephone, mobile Internet access, video calls and mobile TV, all in a mobile environment. Compared to the older 2G and 2.5G standards, a 3G system must allow simultaneous use of speech and data services, and provide peak data rates of at least 200 kbit/s according to the IMT-2000 specification. Recent 3G releases, often denoted 3.5G and 3.75G, also provide mobile broadband access of several Mbit/s to laptop computers and smartphones.

    The following standards are typically branded 3G:

    the UMTS system, first offered in 2001, standardized by 3GPP, used primarily in Europe, Japan, China (however with a different radio interface) and other regions predominated by GSM 2G system infrastructure. The cell phones are typically UMTS and GSM hybrids. Several radio interfaces are offered, sharing the same infrastructure:
    The original and most widespread radio interface is called W-CDMA.
    The TD-SCDMA radio interface, was commercialised in 2009 and is only offered in China.
    The latest UMTS release, HSPA+, can provide peak data rates up to 56 Mbit/s in the downlink in theory (28 Mbit/s in existing services) and 22 Mbit/s in the uplink.
    the CDMA2000 system, first offered in 2002, standardized by 3GPP2, used especially in North America and South Korea, sharing infrastructure with the IS-95 2G standard. The cell phones are typically CDMA2000 and IS-95 hybrids. The latest release EVDO Rev B offers peak rates of 14.7 Mbit/s downstreams.
    The above systems and radio interfaces are based on kindred spread spectrum radio transmission technology. While the GSM EDGE standard (“2.9G”), DECT cordless phones and Mobile WiMAX standards formally also fulfill the IMT-2000 requirements and are approved as 3G standards by ITU, these are typically not branded 3G, and are based on completely different technologies.

    A new generation of cellular standards has appeared approximately every tenth year since 1G systems were introduced in 1981/1982. Each generation is characterized by new frequency bands, higher data rates and non backwards compatible transmission technology. The first release of the 3GPP Long Term Evolution (LTE) standard does not completely fulfill the ITU 4G requirements called IMT-Advanced. First release LTE is not backwards compatible with 3G, but is a pre-4G or 3.9G technology, however sometimes branded “4G” by the service providers. WiMAX is another technology verging on or marketed as 4G.

    -Thus in conclusion we can see that HSPA+ is still 3G, WiMax and LTE fulfill the 3G requirements but surpass them and are in actuality “Pre-4G” based on the technology and furthermore these technologies are upgradeable to true 4G and not backwards compatible with 3G networks such as HSPA+. What this means is that the phone Tmo releases now can NEVER EVER EVER run on a true 4G network.

    The ITU has defined what 4G is but everyone with a peanut for a brain recognizes that Wimax and LTE are in their infancy are the stepping stone to new technology. These standards meet 95% of the requirements fo 4G. HSPA+ meets ZERO. You cant even make the arguement for performance because it doesnt meet the ITU performance requirements. 4G IS NOT ABOUT SPEEDS!!!

    To recap is we use ITU standards on what 4G is: LTE/WiMax = 95% 4G HSPA+ = 0% 4G

    You can’t even round up ZERO….

  • blah

    Lets end this debate once and for all. Please read via Wiki – 3G

    International Mobile Telecommunications-2000 (IMT — 2000), better known as 3G or 3rd Generation, is a generation of standards for mobile phones and mobile telecommunications services fulfilling specifications by the International Telecommunication Union.[1] Application services include wide-area wireless voice telephone, mobile Internet access, video calls and mobile TV, all in a mobile environment. Compared to the older 2G and 2.5G standards, a 3G system must allow simultaneous use of speech and data services, and provide peak data rates of at least 200 kbit/s according to the IMT-2000 specification. Recent 3G releases, often denoted 3.5G and 3.75G, also provide mobile broadband access of several Mbit/s to laptop computers and smartphones.

    The following standards are typically branded 3G:

    the UMTS system, first offered in 2001, standardized by 3GPP, used primarily in Europe, Japan, China (however with a different radio interface) and other regions predominated by GSM 2G system infrastructure. The cell phones are typically UMTS and GSM hybrids. Several radio interfaces are offered, sharing the same infrastructure:
    The original and most widespread radio interface is called W-CDMA.
    The TD-SCDMA radio interface, was commercialised in 2009 and is only offered in China.
    The latest UMTS release, HSPA+, can provide peak data rates up to 56 Mbit/s in the downlink in theory (28 Mbit/s in existing services) and 22 Mbit/s in the uplink.
    the CDMA2000 system, first offered in 2002, standardized by 3GPP2, used especially in North America and South Korea, sharing infrastructure with the IS-95 2G standard. The cell phones are typically CDMA2000 and IS-95 hybrids. The latest release EVDO Rev B offers peak rates of 14.7 Mbit/s downstreams.
    The above systems and radio interfaces are based on kindred spread spectrum radio transmission technology. While the GSM EDGE standard (“2.9G”), DECT cordless phones and Mobile WiMAX standards formally also fulfill the IMT-2000 requirements and are approved as 3G standards by ITU, these are typically not branded 3G, and are based on completely different technologies.

    A new generation of cellular standards has appeared approximately every tenth year since 1G systems were introduced in 1981/1982. Each generation is characterized by new frequency bands, higher data rates and non backwards compatible transmission technology. The first release of the 3GPP Long Term Evolution (LTE) standard does not completely fulfill the ITU 4G requirements called IMT-Advanced. First release LTE is not backwards compatible with 3G, but is a pre-4G or 3.9G technology, however sometimes branded “4G” by the service providers. WiMAX is another technology verging on or marketed as 4G.

    -Thus in conclusion we can see that HSPA+ is still 3G, WiMax and LTE fulfill the 3G requirements but surpass them and are in actuality “Pre-4G” based on the technology and furthermore these technologies are upgradeable to true 4G and not backwards compatible with 3G networks such as HSPA+. What this means is that the phone Tmo releases now can NEVER EVER EVER run on a true 4G network.

    The ITU has defined what 4G is but everyone with a peanut for a brain recognizes that Wimax and LTE are in their infancy are the stepping stone to new technology. These standards meet 95% of the requirements fo 4G. HSPA+ meets ZERO. You cant even make the arguement for performance because it doesnt meet the ITU performance requirements. 4G IS NOT ABOUT SPEEDS!!!

    To recap is we use ITU standards on what 4G is: LTE/WiMax = 95% 4G HSPA+ = 0% 4G

    You can’t even round up ZERO….

    • blah

      Just to follow-up this is the Definition of actually 4G via 4Gwiki and how current LTE/WiMax standards meet them. Please note how HSPA+ meets absolutely ZERO of these requirements and wasnt even a consideration to be dubbed as 4G by the ITU. Also note LTE-A and WiMax2 are built on the precusor EXISTING Wimax and LTE networks and IS NOT NOT NOT considered a new standard but an enhancement to and existing in the same way HSPA+ is an enhancement to 3G.

      4G wireless standards
      In September 2009, the technology proposals have been submitted to the International Telecommunication Union(ITU) as 4G candidates.[49] Basically all proposals are based on two technologies:

      LTE Advanced standardized by the 3GPP
      802.16m standardized by the IEEE (i.e. WiMAX)
      Present implementations of WiMAX and LTE are largely considered a stopgap solution that will offer a considerable boost while WiMAX 2 (based on the 802.16m spec) and LTE Advanced are finalized. Both technologies aim to reach the objectives traced by the ITU, but are still far from being implemented.[50]

      First set of 3GPP requirements on LTE Advanced has been approved in June 2008.[51] LTE Advanced will be standardized in 2010 as part of the Release 10 of the 3GPP specification. LTE Advanced will be fully built on the existing LTE specification Release 10 and not be defined as a new specification series. A summary of the technologies that have been studied as the basis for LTE Advanced is included in a technical report.[52]

      Current LTE and WiMAX implementations are considered pre-4G, as they don’t fully comply with the planned requirements of 1Gbit/s for stationary reception and 100Mbit/s for mobile. Besides speed, a number of other requirements and features have been identified for wireless communication standards to qualify as 4G such as.[50] :[citation needed]

      Spectrally efficient
      Dynamically share and utilize the network resources to support more simultaneous users per cell
      Smooth handovers across heterogeneous networks
      Ability to offer high quality of service for next generation multimedia support
      Based on an all-IP packet switched network

      • http://www.facebook.com/MatthewSki Matthew Kalinowski

        just going to point out one thing t-mo is going to have lte-a and i think that they made a smart move upgrading there hspa to hspa+ its cheaper and easier to upgrade and theres no point in have a network b4 its ready like Verizon and sprint

        • blah

          Agreed, but you cannot claim that HSPA+ is 4G nor can you redefine it based on whatever you feel like. According TMO, 4G is anything that gives you about 8Mbps down which is so far from truth its unreal. *Note I DO NOT disagree (meaning I agree) with the route TMO has taken. I DO NOT agree with the blantant disregards for definitions and standards. Again if you want to hit me with the “No one has 4G” please read above.

  • mmc

    Reading some of the comments are hilarious. Lets get his straight… T-Mobiles HSPA+ network is fast. It is even faster than the competition. How about we get some marketing promos with “fastest network” rather than slapping a 4G sticker on and saying its ok because everyone else does it. I am a loyal T-Mobile customer but I am annoyed they are calling their network 4G.

    • moneyman

      It shouldn’t matter what execs are calling it. As long as you know as a consumer what you’re getting, thats all should matter. Ppl are so stuck on cellphone companies its crazy, like an addiction. ALL wireless companies are in it for money and will do what they can to get it, not just one company. Business equals profit. Choose which company works you and stop complaining about every little thing they do. I agree with the 4G sticker; they made a bad decision by following Sprint. But consumers will not know that Tmobile upgraded their 3G network unless some SIMPLE marketing says that they have and will get to the consumer’s brain the simplest way. I think thats the reason why they added the 4G to their service. It may not be 4g to us nerds, but the rest of the world could care less.

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  • blah

    Oh, btw I decided to change the definition of Dog in websters dictionary to : small mammal with feline qualities. You see I have recently taught my cat to fetch so i decided that his performance was equivalent to that of a dogs, despite the fact that they are an entirely different family of animals and the fact that the ability to fetch doesnt actual define what a dog is… Next I will be defining a horse as a car as I use it to get to work and calling a bird a plane since they both obviously fly.

    As a sidenote, HSPA+ has an evolved form which meets some of the standards for a 4G network. Called Evolved HSPA, obviously this hasnt been deployed yet so the current offering of HSPA+ meets zero of the requirments for 4G networks… Whether the ITU will eventually ratify it as 4G standard remains to be seen as it was not even able to be submitted for consideration as a 4G technology. In furture revisions, Evolved HSPA has the ability to use MIMO as well as an IP-only option. These are neccessary for 4G networks and the core of the evolution is IPv6 with all 4G networks much comply with. Its immediately assumed that Evolved HSPA will support IPv6 as well, But we will see whats going on soon…… either way TMO didnt exactly deploy Evolved HSPA+ did they???

    • http://www.facebook.com/MatthewSki Matthew Kalinowski

      you can say the same thing about wimax and lte yeah they are being called 4g but but are they no there a new type of 3g hspa+ is just and upgraded 3g the face is no one will have 4g till evolved hspa+ wimax2 and lte-a and right now t-mo has the fastest i got 8 down on my mytouch 4g Verizon claims they are they fastest but they dont have any real test to prove that because there network isn’t live and they dont have a a lot of ppl using it and right now 4g is about speed which t-mo has

      • blah

        No Matt you are far far far beyond wrong, please read my posts below where it defines what 4G vs 3G really is. Wimax and LTE ARE NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT, (not sure how many more times I need to place not in there) listed as 3G technologies. A requirement for 3G requires that you have simultaneous voice/data which can take the form of a dual channel protocol. 4G!4G!4G! is can be single channel and allow for only/all IP-based communications which includes voice/data on the same channel. Thus by the definition of both technologies WiMax and LTE are considered closer to 4G than any other offering and NOT 3G as it do not do what 3G does but surpasses its limitations and goes beyond it. Please read below if you have questions.

        To recap: LTE/WiMax = 95% 4G HSPA+ = 0% 4G You CANT round up from ZERO

  • SlySy

    4G? I can’t even get 3G in a major market. For weeks in San Antonio Edge is the only signal I get. CS says they are working on it. Whenever I hear 4G talk it BURNS ME UP!

    • J27

      I’m in S.A. and I’m getting major HSPA+

      maybe it’s just the area you are in…hope it gets fixed soon because you’re missing out!!

    • J27

      I’m in S.A. and I’m getting major HSPA+

      maybe it’s just the area you are in…hope it gets fixed soon because you’re missing out!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/MatthewSki Matthew Kalinowski

    8.4 down 2.1 up long island!!! two thumbs up t-mobile. now up date your site because it said long island doesn’t have it yet and i defiantly have it!!!!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/MatthewSki Matthew Kalinowski

    8.4 down 2.1 up long island!!! two thumbs up t-mobile. now up date your site because it said long island doesn’t have it yet and i defiantly have it!!!!!!

  • A54

    I dont really care what they call it as long as i keep getting more than 12mb/s on my phone Im good with that.How fast do you actually need your phones internet to be??? And this competition between companies is great for consumers cause they just keep making better products for us.

    • Don

      Good point A54. I am a month behind here, but great point. My daughters both have T-Mobile and they both have to text me because if they try to call they never can get through. Something like just a bad connection dad, sure wished we would have gone AT&T. So who cares if it’s the fastest largest network if your children cant talk to you on it. They live in Baltimore/DC area so maybe it’s just that the government doesn’t want my children to talk to me.

    • Don

      Good point A54. I am a month behind here, but great point. My daughters both have T-Mobile and they both have to text me because if they try to call they never can get through. Something like just a bad connection dad, sure wished we would have gone AT&T. So who cares if it’s the fastest largest network if your children cant talk to you on it. They live in Baltimore/DC area so maybe it’s just that the government doesn’t want my children to talk to me.

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