New “myTouch” To Be Known As myTouch 4G?

So I’ve been working on getting the exact name of the “new” myTouch ever since the official announcement came out calling it the “new” myTouch. We can happily, or unhappily confirm that the device appears to be named the “myTouch 4G” if our sources are accurate. We’re not calling this one 100% as until we have something in writing that says so but from what we’ve heard from those individuals who have used the phone, there are plenty of references to that name. What say you?

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  • http://Fkn0wned.com Joonyerr

    NOICE

    • Brandon

      their choice of names for phones is almost as bad as their advertising. No wonder they can’t catch up to Sprint.

      • Hmmmm?

        What the hell are you talking about, how is it any worse than just adding “4G” on the end of the Evo?

      • Serotheo

        I think Brandon Meant the MyTouch name is bad.. but i think the 4G boosts it back from its horrible name.

    • Mae Mae

      I’m a TMOUSA HD2 owner with WP7/Android/SecondToday screen, 8MP LeoCameraAnyKey, all on my TMOUSA HD2. My next phone will be the “MyTouch 4G” and to all you TMOUSA HD2 owners, who want to do your HD2 like mines. Go see my uncle Tech1 HERE http://www.mobileunderground.info/showthread.php?t=704&page=1 ….

  • longtimelurker

    pretty brilliant if you ask me. They probably had this planned all along. first the MyTouch3g just so they can call this the Mytouch4G even though they don’t have a 4G network. But what common customer even knows that. hahaha too good

    • David Thomas

      Neither does Sprint, and neither will Verizon with their upcoming LTE rollout. Checkmate.

      • 2FR35H

        longtimelurker is a n00b quit whining about something that every carrier is doing.

      • MattB

        Verizon won’t ‘technically’ be 4G either. ITU, the UN appointed agency in charge of setting ‘standards’ has defined that a ’4G’ network must comply with the following rates; “Downstream: 100Mbps and Upstream: 20Mbps” as well as many other network capacity standards. Anything short of this is technically classified as ‘B3G’ or ‘Beyond 3G’.

        Upon roll-out, Verizon’s LTE will support ‘lab speeds’ of around 15Mbps, and real world in the range of 5-7Mbps. It will likely be a minimum of 3-4 years before any US network can offer anything resembling the aforementioned standards.

        http://www.itu.int/en/pages/default.aspx
        http://www.itu.int/ITU-D/tech/StandardizationGap/Bahrain2007/Presentations/Day2/Presentation_Bahrain_STabbane.pdf

        Super Ultra Checkmate.

    • atlantian

      neither is the iphone 4g

      • blablabla

        stfu dumbass it’s called the iphone 4 not 4g.

  • Joe

    This is not 4G. This is 3.5G.

    • 4G

      THIS is T-Mobile’s 4th Generation (get it Joe???) of web speed.

      • GlockBuster

        Wrong. Generation refers to network. T-Mobile uses 1700 mhz for 3G and HSPA+. Sprint’s, in the few markets its available, is a different network entirely. It’s technically “enhanced” 3G, that is still faster than the current “4G” competition. Somehow though they must have found a way to call it 4G though.

      • http://anon.com The guy next door

        @GlockBuster,

        There is no place where the G after a cellular phone name defines it to be the generation of network type it uses.

        But, infact it is the fourth MyTouch.
        1. MyTouch 3G, -> 2.MyTouch 3.5mmJ -> 3.MyTouch Slide -> 4.MyTouch 4G

        So its a fourth generation MyTouch. If people want to think its a 4G network device, perfect. T-Mo wins. Otherwise, its still a good device with a front facing cam. First of its kind on T-Mo.

    • Tito!

      Yeah, tell that sprint! XD

      • j

        @guynextdoor, mytouch 3.5 isn’t a new generation, it was just a modification so, sorry, doesn’t work. not a bad though but chnaging a minor piece doesnt make it new

    • David Thomas

      Go cry to Sprint and Verizon, then.

    • s0nic_201

      actually HSPA+ is 3.75G, regular hspa (hsdpa/hsupa) is 3.5G and umts is 3G. Honestly isnt a bad marketing stargety because basic consumers dont understand the difference between mobile tech.

      • Galen20K

        Actually HSPA+ is 3.9G

      • J-Hop2o6

        @ Galen20K

        UMTS = 3G
        HSPA = 3.5G
        HSPA+ = 3.75G
        LTE = 3.9G
        LTE Advance = REAL 4G

        WiMax = 3.9G
        WiMax 2 = REAL 4G

  • alex

    i say mytouch emerald since that’s what the latest document said/ or mytouch HSPA+ snce that is what it is called on t-mobile’s forums.

  • fatboy97

    The 4G world is going to be up in arms over that name… and what happens when and if T-Mobile every gets 4G officially?

    • 4G

      So be it fatboy!

    • David Thomas

      What happens if Sprint gets 4G?

    • 2FR35H

      We all can say the same for Sprint Verizon and AT&T none of them have “4G” noone does until they kick in 100mbps and they probably will call it 5G but 4G is in regards to the generation of mytouch not speeds.

  • chris

    Lame from a phone nerd prespective. Good attention grabber for average people.

  • BeyonceKnowles

    I will let it be called whatever as long as it is mine!!!

  • t1 connect

    How stupid of you tmobile….you think ppl are not gonna call you out on this one….wait til you jack up the speed to 42mbps.

    • Tito!

      This is frustrating. Why would or should they be called out?
      Their HSPA+ is already twice as fast as Sprint’s “4G” .
      So if you ask me, Sprint should be the one being called out here. :)
      Leave T-Mobile alone.
      At this stage, like everybody else, 4G is more of a marketing advantage.
      So if others may, why not T-Mobile?
      So be it. (:

      On the contrary, T-Mobile has full rights; for being the network with the fastest speeds.
      Don’t you see, T-Mobile claims their network as “4G Speeds”
      That’s truth speaking. They actually do .
      Might as well use the marketing phrase, and still mean it. By being faster then others .
      I just laugh. At you all haters
      Thank you, Please come again.
      (When we have 42 Mbps speeds. :)

      • http://tmonews.com terryjohnson16

        The problem with T-Mobile calling their network “4G -like” is that we are not seeing any true HSPA+ speeds. Sure we might get up to like 5Mbps on a regular HSPA 7.2 device, but people that have the G2 aren’t seeing any higher speeds than what our HSPA 7.2 devices, or in some rare cases HSPA+ 10Mbps phones.

        T-Mobile you need more Fiber backhaul, before you start touting the MyTouch HD/4G, etc with video calling.

      • blah

        Tito, youre an idiot… 4G is a type of technology not a speed….
        the end effect may be even greater, but marketing it as a technology which it doesnt use is still a lie. Its just stupid to do so. Example, Chevy produces a car with V6 engine that cranks out more HP than a Ford V8. To compete Chevy names it the Chevy “” V-8. How F-ing stupid would that be of Chevy??? and is borderline illegal as false advertisement. Yes the net result may be the same however the technology/mechanics are completely different and cannot be marketed as something its not…

      • David Thomas

        “blah” doesn’t read specifications much, does he?

      • PHONE FREAK

        @Blah.

        Sprints network is not 4G either. Ever heard of the epic 4G or the evo 4G?

  • Nurfherder1

    Damn iPod touch and the lag. Screw apple. Android for life.

  • 4G

    The average consumer can’t even SPELL “HSPA”, much less know what it stands for. GREAT call TMO, if they go with that.

    • Insider

      High Speed Packet Access. For those who don’t know.

      • 4G

        Yeah, but you’re not the “average” consumer, Insider…LOL, you read TMONews! We tend to be a little smarter and better informed!!!

  • you

    Much better would have been Mytouch Or G….

  • Chris

    Wish I could trade my Vibrant for it.

    • Shawn

      Why would you want to trade in your vibrant?

      • HD2/Vibrant/G2 User

        Because it lags and its only 7.2mbps

  • http://Tmonews Dabe

    Is there any point in getting an hspa phone if I only get an edge signal where I live

    • alamoe

      Nope

    • prower

      right now the only phones hspa+ or 4g phones are the g2 and upcoming my touch, would you want to have one of those even if you do not have 4g speeds in your area?

  • Acacia Strain

    Tmobile is 4G just as much, if not more than, Sprint’s 4G. Right now at this point 4G is strictly just a marketing term. 4G does seem better than 3G to the average person but clearly Tmo’s 3.5G/HSPA+ is faster than Sprints fourth generation speeds.

    Calling it the Mytouch HSPA sounds a lot dumber than Mytouch 4G.

    • Tito!

      Thank you. That’s what I just trying to say. :)
      But apparently the comment didn’t go through.
      Jeeze louise, people. Get off T-Mobile’s nuts
      And hop on Sprints’. Sprint is the culperate
      They’re speeds are twice as slow as T-Mo
      If anything, T-Mobile owns 4G marketing rights.
      Because they’re the only network capable of such speeds. :)

      Long Live T-Mobile. ♥

    • Tito!

      Thank you. That’s what I just tried to explain.
      But apparently the comment refuses to go through .

      I’ll brief it by saying: all of the above,
      T-Mobile owns 4G marketing rights. :)

      Get off T-Mobile’s nuts.

      • David Thomas

        People complain about how T-Mobile never stays in the game with the big boys, but then they make the same marketing move that Sprint made, and all-of-a-sudden it’s a huge freaking hatefest. T-Mobile customers sure are bitchy.

      • 2FR35H

        @david thomas

        T-mobile customers sure are ungrateful maybe this is why we haven’t been able to get good stuff on tmo because when we do people like ‘blah’ gotta hate on it instead of appreciate what is given. Quit complaining.

  • T-Mo Biggie

    Boot up screen is “MyTouch 4G”

    • Nurfherder1

      And your source is?

  • Rpinazo

    The only name that would have sounded better was “HD”. The 4G added sounds corny but whatever the name I’m still getting this.

    • thaghost

      +1

      me too.

    • mjN1

      I agree. They should just say HD. It makes it look like were trying to copy evo’s.

    • stickeywicket

      Woulda liked that one. 4G makes me go “meh.” Let’s face it, naming – and marketing in general – are *not* Tmo’s strong suits.

      • Barry

        They’re marketing to the masses not to the 15% of us in here that actually know that it’s not true 4G it’s just like the processor of the G2 800mhz < 1ghz and people complained about that despite the fact it's been documented that it's better than the older snapdragon processors and maybe they learned their lesson on this so now they're calling it 4G and "people" see 3G < 4G and say oooohhh I want a 4G phone not a 3G phone that has 4G speeds it's all about marketing watch tommy boy and learn about it. And why can't they call it that when it is in fact faster than sprint's "4G" ? And if T-mobile is smart they will point out that it is faster. So if you know it's for 4G or not the bottom line is you're either gonna buy the phone or not.

  • somebody

    and next will be mytouch 4g slide with gingerbread ( which this will never get )

  • Special K

    I honestly believe it is perfect. This puts these additional network fees and network speeds under a microscope. Let them come out and say, “T-Mobile is not offering true 4G”…how are they going to position that?

    “Oh, you LTE is better because there is 33 ping vs 99 ping.”

    It doesn’t mean anything to the consumer. I think it is safe to use that, and I like it.

  • Drew

    I agree with who ever said above that MyTouch Emerald sounds way sweeter..

  • http://mwd.com Joe

    David, its called MyTouch 4G 4 sure :) I know… PR didn’t tell you?

    Here is article from week ago :)

    http://www.mwd.com/2010/10/mytouch-4g-coming-soon-to-t-mobile-specs/

  • blah

    BAD BAD BAD ideal, consumers and carrier will call it deceptive marketing, your peers will call you out for using fake “4G” 4G is a TECHNOLOGY not a SPEED, thats like calling a car a “Hybrid” because it contains a battery and gets high MPG. Yes the effect is the same as a hybrid, but calling a care like this a hybrid is a lie as its a TECHNOLOGY. Im getting this phone but I will scratch off any mention of 4G if its named this. Even the iPhone stuck with the “4″ moniker, who is in charge of this and why are they idiots???

    Suitable replacements
    myTouch HD
    myTouch +
    myTouch Plus
    MyTouch Emerald
    MyTouch Burst
    MyTouch

    Personally I like HD or simply +

    • David Thomas

      You didn’t pay any attention to Sprint in the last few months, have you?

      • blah

        obviously you dont read…

        4G
        An IMT-Advanced cellular system must have target peak data rates of up to approximately 100 Mbit/s for high mobility such as mobile access and up to approximately 1 Gbit/s for low mobility such as nomadic/local wireless access, according to the ITU requirements. Scalable bandwidths up to at least 40 MHz should be provided.[5][6]

        In all suggestions for 4G, the CDMA spread spectrum radio technology used in 3G systems and IS-95 is abandoned and replaced by frequency-domain equalization schemes, for example multi-carrier transmission such as OFDMA. This is combined with MIMO (i.e., multiple antennas(Multiple In Multiple Out)), dynamic channel allocation and channel-dependent scheduling.

        My words..
        HSPA+ is not IP-based and does not meet the base-line requirements as its NOT an IP technology. Current “4G” offerings meet the baseline requirement of IP based communication, however currently lack the bandwidth requirements.

        In a nutshell once WiMax and LTE meet the bandwidth requirements they will be fully 4G technologies. HSPA+ could be a BILLION times faster by comparison but WILL NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER be an official 4G technology. I suggest you do sit at the back of the classroom and pay attention son..

      • 2FR35H

        @blah

        Neither does verizon or sprint quit trolling whiner.

    • 2FR35H

      @blah then those people are hypocrites because nobody has 4G. Consumers don’t know nor care but fact of the matter our HSPA+ speeds is faster than what other carriers are claiming as 4G so wtf is your problem hoe?

      • blah

        Its not a matter of SPEED, you people are idiots IP-based communication offers features NOT possible in current HSPA+ spec…. The speeds will improve on LTE and WiMax to reach the current requirements. HSPA could be a billion times faster and would never be a 4G technology because ITS NOT!!!!! 4G IS NOT DETERMINED BY SPEED!!!!!!!! THE HIGHER SPEED THROUGHPUT IS SIMPLE A CONSEQUECE OF THE TECHNOLOGY BEING USED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHY CANT YOU PEOPLE PICK UP A BOOK OR AT LEAST DO A GOOGLE SEARCH TO EDUCATE YOURSELVES ON REALITY ANS STOP LYING TO YOURSELVES!

        As a side note I am picking up a MyTouch HD at launch because it IS THE FASTEST network and phone combination available today and LTE is not ready yet. This is why Im staying with TMO because of these two combining factors, but im not so insecure in my choice that I have have to make excuses for my network not being 4G becaue I actually dont care since its faster than LTE for the time being.

      • J-Hop2o6

        I agree with Blah.. even tho LTE is technically 3.9G, its still a NEW tech.. HSPA/+ is an ADD-ON for 3G/UMTS.. but the HSPA+ speeds are more than welcomed until Tmo rolls out LTE at some point (once LTE supports voice also).

      • 2FR35H

        No sir you are an idiot.

        And we will NEVER see 4G speeds probably until 5G rolls out which is like 20+ years from now so what is the purpose of complaining? Its a effing marketing term get over it.

        And if you don’t care then why the hell post about it in the first place? You pick up a book do some google search and you will find no carrier intends to fully utilize 4G in that being of 100+ mbps dl and 50+ mbps ul so calling their speeds 4G especially in sprints case or 6-12mbps is ridiculous verizon is the same 5-12mbps.

    • yourboyfriendthinksimhot

      Ok seriously what kind of crap is “myTouch + ” hello? Only Samsung gets to name their phones crappy uncreative names such as Samsung ;) and Gravity T, and Gravity 3 (to follow Gravity and Gravity 2) really no creativity.

      There’s already been “myTouch”
      myTouch burst doesn’t sound appealing at all.
      myTouch Emerald actually sounds very elegant and actually goes with all the phone does bc its a true gem.
      myTouch plus yeah like if they would name a phone after their plans (Even More PLUS)
      myTouch HD was nice too but the G2 is HD and so is the Vibrant and they don’t have that on their names. So I do hope they come out w/something that says what the overall phone does not just one of its features.

    • ogopogo

      @blah
      It is the general consensus of this thread that you are a moron. Your own statements PROVE that the marketing folks at T-Mobile are pure geniuses. They’ve got you so wrapped up in discussing the name of the phone, that you are giving it free advertising.

      I really don’t care if they call it 4G, or 5G or 6G. It’s a great phone, and I can’t wait to get one.

  • Vibrant Guy

    Some of you are a bunch of clowns…my goodness. Get over it.

  • aLb3Rt

    myTouch fORGY FTW!!!! ;)

  • Mooch

    I don’t care if it’s called the Mytouch-myself – it’s better than anything else (G2 excluded) T-Mo has in their lineup.

    Actually, if it were to be called that, I might buy two.

    ..just sayin

    • blah

      I would too! One for each hand!!! lol

  • Midori

    This is called the Consumer Market and playing fair and goody-goody by saying your product is 3.5G vs. every other company claiming 4G will get you no where! I say T-Mobile has every right to make 4G claims as well! (what average consumer really cares anyway)?

    • blah

      So no one on this forum believes its unethical to claim/instiuate that a product has a feature which it doest??? 4G isnt about speed its about IP-based communication…..

      • blah

        When asked TMO will say the 4G stands for 4th generation, but its also purposely misleading.

      • David Thomas

        You’re quite the moron. Please leave.

      • 2FR35H

        It is Tmobile’s 4th generation technology you dimwit what is there to be lying about? HSPA+ produces more speeds than anyone else claiming 4G currently so your point is moot not that you really even have one, frankly you are just being a hater like when “mailman” was. Quit trolling. It is quite annoying.

      • Midori

        Its unethical but its the American way, I mean all my life businesses have made either false claims or modified(twisted) the advertisement of products and unless someone was killed or injured due a product no one payed it much attention. So what T-Mobile,Sprint,At&T,and Verizon are doing is nothing new and in my opinion since HSPA+ has the faster speed they have more of a right.

      • ogopogo

        @blah
        You really are on a crusade aren’t you? If you don’t like what T-mobile is doing (which, by the way is NOT illegal), then you should switch carriers, and don’t buy this phone.

  • jose

    im sure their legal department has all the bases covered. since the speeds are in line with 4G speeds they can probably call it 4G.

    • MattB

      But…. it isn’t in lines with 4G speeds. It’s not even close. Nobody is/will be. 4G in terms of speed (disregarding the other needed factors) requires 100Mbps down and 20Mbps up with a latency < 10ms.

  • http://www.mom.com tmo

    Please you have a choice of where you want to go, what phones to buy. what internet price to pay. You want sprint, go to sprint, they offer 4g which is slow than tmobile’s 3.5. Most people don’t even care, are long as the phones are working. It was confirmed today, 2 companies offering these “4g” speeds, Tmobile and Verizon.

  • Alex

    Calm down people, it could be as simple as below:

    Mytouch 3g
    Mytouch 3g 1.2 (and fender)
    Mytouch 3g slide
    Mytouch 4(generation)

    • blah

      Unfortunately David Thomas never learned to count past 3… but yes this is the most likely scenario, however it is seems it is still attempting to leverage the “4G” moniker which could land TMO in quite a bit of scrutiny…

  • mingkee

    As a previous poster suggested, MyTouch Plus makes sense as it supports HSPA+ (3.75G).
    MyTouch HD may not qualify as the screen is smaller than Vibrant.

    MyTouch 4G is stupid as name because it doesn’t support real 4G network.

    • blah

      Completely agree, and the “plus” implies all those great features we’re getting, I cant wait to burn my cliq… it was a free replacement for my recently departed G1 a month ago…

  • shawn1224

    I have yet to hear from any G2 owners that are experiencing 7.2Mbps or better speeds.

    Theoretical hspa+ speeds =/= Actual realtime speeds.

    • k-mack

      I got 8.9mpbs at a restaurant the other day on my G2! The speeds are fast! Way faster than my G1. Someone asked if they should get an HSPA phone even if they don’t have that type of coverage. I would find out if HSPA is planned to be in there area in the future. I hear that they are rolling out this coverage aggressively around the country. The phone just operates faster too. It is so incredibly fast in operation compared to my old G1. That to me is an even better reason to go with the G2 or this new myTouch. They are just so much faster that older models. The OTA for the G2 with wifi calling and tethering doesn’t hurt either!…

      • shawn1224

        What city are you in?

  • Ryan

    They should call it “This Mytouch will not get an os update for over a year, if you want gingerbread get verizon cause we suck at supporton are phones 4g”. But thats just my opinion.

  • 2FR35H

    No carrier, manufacturer or consumer should complain about T-Mobiles marketing term 4G until they can produce better speeds than T-Mobile. End of story because at the end of the day they are just whining because their 4G is slower than our 3. whatever G.

    • blah

      For the 100th time 4G IS NOT DEFINED BY SPEED, if you would actually take the time to educate yourself as to what 4G actually is and why HSPA can NEVER be called 4G then you might actually speak like a sensible and informed person. HSPA+ is NOT IP-BASED communication and thus cannot be called 4G. Period. It could be a 99999999999MB/s connection and still wouldnt be 4G. End of story, dont come back til you look up the definition of 4G please.

      • 2FR35H

        Funny being that you aren’t portraying being either ‘sensible’ or ‘informed.’ how about you comeback when you are done whining about t-mobile’s marketing terms and products or when t-mobile’s data speeds are slower than any other carrier with ’4G’. Sure maybe other have 4G technology but their speeds are slower than what you and some others are calling HSPA+ 3.5G really it doesn’t matter T-Mobile still has all the right to call it the mytouch emerald 4g or mytouch 4g for numerous reasons, some of which are displayed here in the comment boards and for their speeds taking competition’s 4G. Either way I would rather have a 3G service with 4G speeds than vice versa. Thank you and good day.

  • Gabe

    Funny nobody said anything about the Iphone 4g on AT&T when it came out. The average person I know thought they had 4G speeds. If they didn’t call AT&T out why would they call Tmobile out. So Tmobile is just capitalizing. Besides Tmobile’s speeds are doing pretty good in comperitive to whats out their.

    • blah

      Actually iPhone just called it iPhone 4 not 4G because of this exact reason.

    • blablabla

      It’s iphone 4 you dumbass!!! not iphone 4g. And the 4 stands for it being the 4th generation iphone. It is in no relation to data speeds!

  • j

    This is laughable, if you don’t have a 4G network, you cannot name it 4G. Who ever leaked this is just plain DUMB. David, come on you are smarter then this.

    • TheDude

      T-Mobile has been saying they have 4G speeds ever since they got HSPA+ running. If they’re saying they have 4G speeds, there is possibility to them adding 4G to their phone name.

      J, come on you are smarter THAN* this

      • blah

        4G speeds and 4G technology are two entirely different things, please research what 4G is before commenting….

        It is possible to have 4G speeds and not use 4G technology like it possible to have v8 performance but only a v6 engine (example camaro). suggesting anything otherwise is a lie. By your reasoning Chevy should put V8 on their specs sheet since it performs like a V8 engine despite it being 6 cylinders.

        and “TheDude” you CLEARLY are NOT smarter than this…

      • j

        YES I am smarter then this and I know better then 4G in a phone name, trust me

  • blah

    Ok, Im going to try to lay this out in “Stupid” terms. “4G” IS NOT DEFINED BY SPEED!!!! It its the layer of actual communication, in this case IP communication. I don’t give a $h*t about how fast HSPA+ is, the actually communication is completely different. I use TMO because they currently have the FASTEST network but that DOES NOT make it 4G nor does having 4G-like speeds earn you the right to use the branding. Its like calling a motorcycle a ferrari because they have similar acceleration. ITS NOT THE SAME TECHNOLOGY! yes the end result is the same but OFFICIAL 4G offers SEVERAL features which HSPA+ doesnt offer. I am PROUD of the HSPA+ speeds from tmo so why should I discredit them, are you people that ashamed to your network that you need to call it 4G to compensate. WTF?!? LTE and WiMax currently do not offer the speed of HSPA so thats why Im staying with TMO for now. I AM NOT ASHAMED BECAUSE I ACTUALLY KNOW WHY IM STAYING WITH MY CARRIER AND PROUD ITS NOT 4G BECAUSE THE CRAP ISNT READY??? YOU PEOPLE NEED TO GET OFF TMOS KNOB BECAUSE THEY DONT DO EVERYTHING RIGHT BUT YOU ALSO NEED TO STOP BEING ASHAMED OF YOUR NETWORK! WHY REDUCE YOURSELVES TO USING TERMS JUST CAUSE YOU THINK THE “COOL” KIDS ARE DOING IT?? Gosh people give in to peer pressure much? You have a superior product and you want to act like the biggest poser ever? Its like wearing fake designer clothes cause the other kids wear they eventhough they were still manufactured by slave labor… GOt some balls people and have some faith and respect for your network, its insulting to call it 4G just to fit in…

    • blah

      after reading a bit more i have finally come to terms with the fact that tmonews houses the tmo fanbois and gives them an oasis to escuse ridicule for their asinine fanboyisms. I am a tmobile customer, not a fanboy. I switched from sprint years ago because of customer service, the only reason Im not with verizon is because of their crappy ancient network, not with sprint because their is no future in wimax, and I just plan hate ATT… tmo for my needs is the best network however and am an INFORMED consumer where I dont have to hide in specialized forums that cater to my narrow-minded prejudices. I ask that we all work to become INFORMED consumers rather than fanboys and understand the reasons and technology behind our network which we claim to so dearly love. At the present point in TMO is my network because it is the BEST network…. But im not about to agree with everythng tmo does, this is how progress is made from consumers like me who scrutinize them as well as the competition and will gravitate to the best offers for my needs rather than blind loyalty. If tmo was only built on diehard unquestioning fanboys there would be no reason to innovate or grow, Consumers like me drive tmos growth and expansion and benefit you in the long run. Just wanted to put that out there for perspective.

      • k-mack

        wow, you are really passionate about this, aren’t you?! i applaud you for that and for being a customer that asked good questions and wants their carrier to “do the right thing”. here is my opinion. it’s not clear what the alleged “4G” might stand for, if it is really the name they are going with. nobody doubts what you would consider true “4G” technology. the point is that there are references to data speeds, modulation, transport, and technology in several sources of the definition of 4G. It will likely be that all carriers will have to discuss this in a court of law or just resign to the fact that everyone will call it what they want to call it and let them all just try to grab all the customers they can. this is the spirit of competition.

      • HD

        Blah, I feel for you trying to explain technology to basement dwellers but I’m disappointed in the fact you just now realized that this site is full of fanboi’s, pretty diffucult to have an intelligent discussion here. While David does get the news out and run a very informative site, a number of posters here that are unable to understand technology seem to have dirty rags where their brains should be.

        On a positive note, t-mobile has accomplished quite a bit to upgrade their network over the last year or so but it’s still a very small footprint overall and to be taken seriously they will need to expand beyond the major cities and interstates.

    • thaghost

      be quiet!

      • 2FR35H

        @thghost

        +1000

      • 2FR35H

        *@thaghost

    • j

      noone, I mean noone cares about the term 4G! The name is bogus as is any argument, just wait for it to arrive and see. These sights take garbage and make it gold for the masses, so enjoy your fools gold

  • Flyingrequin

    any news yet on its internal memory. That is the only spec that is scarying me. I don’t want a phone that would be anything less than 4GB.

    • blah

      with apps2sd why would it matter?

      • FlyingRequin

        It is not the same speed — and yes, it matters as not all apps install to SD.

        Btw, with the Vibrant being out for over 4 months, you’d think that things would get better (Vibrant has ~20Mb of internal memory) — but I think HTC is just playing catch up at this point. yes, Samsung has plenty of flaws — but I can’t wait for Vibrant 2!

  • Vibrant addict

    I’m liking the name. Sprint and Apple can suck it with their false advertising, network and hardware respectively. Tmobile will bank on this 4g name and that’s what the average consumer will link to being the best.

  • JP

    Who gives a flying f$*% about what the name is. Just release the damn phone !!!!

    • thaghost

      +100000000

  • Special K

    If you want to get technical Blah, EDGE is a 3G technology…just saying.

    • blah

      Of course, but Im not sure what point you are making. Not being smart just dont understand your comment?

      HSPA+ is merely an extension to the existing edge network, think of it as the 32x and Sega CD of the genesis, really neat, extends the life of the technology but definitely not the dreamcast….sigh fond memories…

  • Acaciastrain

    Just gotta say this is genius by tmo. So many people come in and say things like “when are you guys getting 4G?” Looks like this should be a better explanation than explaining hspa.

    And why wouldn’t they call it 4G? Just because they don’t technically have the technology doesn’t mean they shouldn’t market something a certain way.

    In the cities that don’t get 3G should Apple have and IPhone Edge? Or in the cities that don’t have Sprint’s 4G can they not say they have the Epic 4G? No because it is straight up a marketing technique.

    Dear Tmobile: Please market the hell out of this phone.

    • blah

      Apple can say 3G because they actually have 3G technology and use a 3G network so it makes sense. Whether its available in your area is different but they do have it. If TMO even had one city which was 4G i wouldnt see an issue with them using the 4G term.

  • Special K

    I’m just saying we were getting hammered previously for not offering data speeds up to the competition (which we were not), even though EDGE was based on the technology. At this point, it hardly matters. The cities in America are not wired for the crazy speeds that LTE can offer. Besides, how many Mbps are most people seeing at home? 3-4 on average? That is about what wireless providers will be offering by next year across the board. Maybe a little bit faster here and there depending on the market, but that will be about it.

    I’ll be honest, I see 11+ Mbps down and 1.3 Mbps up consistently, and when I am on my girlfriends (who normally gets 4M Mbps down and 1.25 Mbps up) you won’t notice the difference unless you’re downloading a large file. If you’re downloading large files, enjoy the overages is all I can say when Verizon and ATT have their data packages tiered.

    • blah

      Ok but you are still only talking about 4G in terms of speed, which is not the baseline measurement. Its the communication protocols used which make it 4G. Its these protocols which will be essential to our communication in the next 5 years and why we will see 100Mbps speeds and why the entire network industry is moving to IPv6,4G,bandwith they are ALL interconnected. Im not saying you need to understand the in-depth mechanics of it but looking at soley the speed of a 4G connection is like looking at a Manet painting and saying “nice picture”

      • thaghost

        blah, go to bed pls. everyone know da point dat ur making is correct but who cares?

      • MattB

        Lol at blah trying to bait people using Manet as your example… I’m waiting for the obligatory “It’s MONET hahah lol!!!11!”. It’ll still prolly happen even after I post this.

      • k-mack

        ha! that was funny. You do know there IS a French painter named Manet, right?!…that’s ok.

    • MattB

      Even in terms of downloading a large file, it’s pretty irrelevant. Pretty dependent on the hosting sites upload as well…

  • fore gee

    HSPA+ is T-mobile’s 4G network…

    1G: GPRS
    2G: EDGE
    3G: UMTS (HSPA)
    4G: HSPA+

    Gotta love when semantics works in your favor.

  • tgeek

    @blah In LA TMO uses fiber (for HSPA sites) to the site and ethernet to the NodeB, with capability to fall back to ATM. Work is underway to move to MIMO and 42Mb/s.

    Putting all the techno jargon aside, where are the apps that can use this bandwidth? Other than bittorrent to download movies who needs more than 4-5Mb/s?

    Personally I don’t care what they call it. I’m glad to live in a market that has HSPA+, and look forward to TMO spreading the HSPA + love across the country.

    • blah

      VERY AWESOME!!! Do they have an ETA for MIMO and 42Mb? With Verizon and Sprint laying so much fiber recently this definitely would have driven the manufacturing cost of fiber production down? Late 2011/Early 2012?? Im also thinking google in particular is planning some major cloud apps in the future so this kind of bandwidth may be neccessary depending on what they plan on pulling down…cloud seems to be the “in” thing right now… As for the name I just think TMO is acting like the geeky teenager who is trying to fit in where they clearly has aspects which are superior. I would hope by now they realize they are “better” than that…

  • alex32g2

    i say call it mytouch 5G. I know it doesnt make sense, but theres the mytouch, mytouch fender, mytouch slide, and the myotuch with the 3.5 head jack. So secretly tmobile can say this is their 5th mytouch (coming from mytouch line) and for customers who dont know much about technology may think 5G as in faster than 4g network lol, it could work..am i right?? or would it be false advertising (:
    just tryin to help tmo you know (:

  • nain77

    if it has 4g like speeds, why not call it 4G, sprint can do it can they?

    • blah

      Last time im saying this and im giving up… sprint uses a 4G technology, the deciding factor in determining a 4G network is the communication protocols used, the speeds as less important but still an element. Without tmo using that 4G protocol they cannot call it 4G no matter how fast the network is.

      • sandytoes

        Dude we all completely understand where you’re coming from. But right now what matters is tiger SPEED not what technology the network is based on. We all know hspa+ is still a 3g technology but not everyone cares or wants to care about what technology a company is using. They care about how fast it is and since tmo has the fastest network currently available they can take advantage of that and just advertise their network as 4g even though its not. Like I said most consumers could care less they just want fast and since our magenta is delivering those speeds it could be called 5g for all they care. Trust me I’ve been working for tmo for two years and that’s all that matters to the acreage Joe. At the end if the day the customer just wants fast. So blah please stop going nuts with this. We all know the difference between 3g and 4g tech. Its just an advertising move my friend.

      • sandytoes

        Oops typo. Meant average Joe and tiger is not to be included lol. Should have proof read.

  • blah

    Just had to replay to MATTB real quick… Youre a dumb @ss. There is BOTH a MANET and MONET and were actually both french impressionist who happened to be rivals and friends and generally equally well known… youre typing on an internet enabled device, why cant you use google or better yet, read a book…..

  • http://www.smartphoneheadlines.com reality

    @Hmmmm? says:
    October 12, 2010 at 10:13 PM

    What the hell are you talking about, how is it any worse than just adding “4G” on the end of the Evo?
    —————————–
    Ummm T-Mobile does not have a 4G network so that might be a good reason not to call a second generation device 4G, eh. They cannot legally advertise their HSPA as 4G if you notice ALL ADS say 4G SPEEDS but NOT 4G. Whereas Sprint actually has a 4G network.

    Regardless that will not be the name of the new myTouch.

  • Mat

    Blah, you can shut up about it now. Nobody gives a rats a** that the current tech isn’t 4g. If you want to type all that bull**** again, go write a Wikipedia article about it.

    We’ve all been crying for t-mobile to do some real marketing and guess what? Naming your products something the average consumer (thinks) they understand and can remember is a start. At&t and Verizon are both going to do it, so unless you’d rather see T-Mobile fall even further behind, I might recommend you go take a piss into the wind.

  • Myg1

    Omg I swear Blah is like an incarnation of Mailman trolling trolling…all you do is copy and paste from probably wiki n stuff…n Sprint calls it so why can’t TMobile? N have you seen the atts website..they still draining claim they have the fastest network..wow n even with verizon s lte network that’d coming soon..tmobiles hspa + pawns them all period

  • Devin

    Hmmm… got an email from my Division Manager sent out to the division today… at the end it had a little signature saying “sent from my myTouch 4G”.