More Revealed About the G2

T-mobile is really going to draw out this whole limited knowledge launch of the G2.  This time, though, we have some confirmation on what you can actually expect.  It is well known that this will be the first HSPA+ phone, and T-mobile is telling you to “brace yourself for blazing-fast downloads, browsing and search” on the “fastest smartphone experience in America.”  Another note, and I do not get sick of posting this, vanilla Android 2.2 out of the box with one-touch quick keys (for quick access to Google shortcuts and applications) and Adobe Flash Player 10.1 ready (which probably means you will have to download it from the market yourself).  T-Mobile is also confirming that that Qualcomm MSM 7230 Scorpion silicone will be clocked at 800 MHz.  I know some of you wish it was clocked up to 1 GHz, but you need to remember that GHz isn’t everything.  Nothing really new there, but some official confirmation is always good.  The rest of the scroll box, from the Scoop page, can be found below.  Don’t forget to leave your thoughts in the comments!

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  • joe

    800 is kinda a bummer, not going to stop me from getting it. :)

    • Andrew

      That’s the right attitude, and I may be right there with you

    • john

      Hey, check it out, I think David, Andrew, and Kick have quelled the “First” douches.

      Thank you guys for that.

      • joe

        i saw last night that there weren’t any comments so i quickly posted something. haha :)

    • redman12

      I’m sure XDA will do something about it ;)

      • SoTacMatt

        That’s what I’m counting on.

    • GeneralSanity

      800MHz isn’t all bad. At least it will extend the battery life.
      I just want to know if there is a 3.5mm headphone jack.

    • jimmy

      this is not bad
      The Scorpion core is similar to ARM’s Cortex-A8, which also implements the ARMv7 architecture. Like the Cortex-A8, Scorpion is a superscalar, dual-issue machine, and supports the powerful, signal-processing-oriented NEON instruction set extensions and VFPv3 floating-point extensions (referred to collectively on Scorpion as the “VeNum” media processing engine). Scorpion will be supported by ARM’s standard software development tools, and Qualcomm expects to offer off-the-shelf multimedia codec software that uses VeNum.
      Scorpion also has a 23-stage floating-point/SIMD pipeline, and unlike on Cortex-A8, VFPv3 operations are pipelined. Scorpion uses a number of other microarchitectural tweaks that are intended to either boost speed or reduce power consumption. (Scorpion’s architects previously designed low-power, high-performance processors for IBM.) The core supports multiple clock and voltage domains to enable additional power savings.

      • ihatefanboys

        i dont know what u said there, but it sounds awesome. im getting it either way, but glad to know it is revolutionary compared to whats out there. the geeks kno better than the whiney bitches. as for the “rumors” of what gingerbread “needs” its rumors, htc and tmo would not put out a phone that couldnt get updates..especially running 2.2 vanilla android. stop whining, as so many hav said previously….if verizon or sprint entice u more, than go…more G2 goodness for me,maybe i wont hav to use a free dinky lil phone like i had to use for a week waiting for my local tmo store to restock G1s in 2008…so lets recap….

        G2 scorpion processor = win
        vanilla android 2.2= win
        faster than evo, droid, and vibrant= win

        whiney fanboys that hav no clue on processor specs = fail
        ffc “dealbreaker” whiners = fail
        i wont get a 3.7 inch screen, must be 4, cant do math whiners =fail
        g2 “not sexy” but says EVO is sexy, g2 is round,evo is a brick = fail
        anyone that bitches and moans about a cell phone = epic fail

  • john

    I think that I will set a precedent here, I can’t wait for this baby to come out, so when failman comes in here talking about his Evoooooooo and how almighty it is, we can be like, “Dude, that’s killed by the vibrant, which is so two phones ago”

  • Jonathan from Los Angeles

    Andrew, so how much is Scorpion better than Snapdragon? How is 800 MHz better than 1 GHz? I’ve been trying to find out but I’m confused.

    • john

      not a huge tech guy myself, but from what I understand it’s based on how the chip is designed. Long story short, it’s built to handle multiple functions at the same time, similar to a dual core, but in all actuality, only one core functioning as efficiently as two. Anyone who’s druged through the details, please school me some more.

      • ihatefanboys

        im glad someone is here with tech knowledge that can properly explain how this chip is better than whats out there…i think idiots just focus on the #s and dont understand the #s…and just for the record, for the people that say that ordinary people care about #s or even understand that 1ghz is or is not faster than 800mghz, ill show u the idiots i work with that simply buy a phone because someone else has one or it matches their shoes or handbag… #s dont matter,they just want something that works and looks cool. thats prob the only reason apple continues to hav so much success, they cater to the idiots of the world that really just want their ipod to be pink…its not quality, it never was,, apple is far from a quality product like android is.

    • marcus halberstram

      The same way my Quad Core @ 2.8 is faster than a P4 @ 4.0ghz.

      • Testament

        A better agony would be a P4 with HT. Still a single core but act’s as two (to simplify) A Quad Core is @ 2.8.is NOT faster than a P4@ 4.ghz doing one process. I’ve worked on tons of pc that have single core that runs fine for basic computing, but when it comes to multitasking, or heavy resource demanding programs Dual-core/ Quad Core kick a__

        Just my 2 cents.

      • Omeer

        @ Jonathan- Let me try to answer that question for you. The scorpion processor first of all is based on the same technology as the snapdragon processor but it’s been improved upon in many ways. It’s native speeds ranges from 800Mhz-1Ghz, the recommended minimum being 800Mhz and the maximum being 1Ghz. T-mobile probably chose the former to conserve battery life but it’s perfectly capable of 1Ghz speeds. The scorpion processors process all media,apps, background programs separately from your network signal, data, voice etc. So in essence it’s like having two processors in one. You’ll get better battery life, a GPU comparable to the one in the Samsung vibrant, HDMI out, support for 12MP camera, high def video etc. etc. I hope that answers your question :)

      • jazzmanmonty

        and with progs such as setcpu like we can use for the g1, i’m sure that it can be used to 1ghz capability, which in loose terms in comparison would make it seem like a 1.5 ghz vs a 1 ghz snapdragon. i think the best thing about this is granted we all want a huge screen or even a 4 (which people say there is no dif between a 3.7 and a 4 but if it was a 4 they’d scream 4.3 please!, the big issue with all these big phones is battery life. evo’s sucks, etc. we don’t have a massive screen that’ll drain battery, we have a good size one thats the same as the US cellular Desire that i played with and its big enough. we also have an efficient cpu. so whereas someone with an evo has to recharge half way thru the day, we can hopefully go from morning to night on one charge with normal use. i just pray the number one feature is a good strong battery like they put in the iphone. f the ffc camera. good battery please!

    • immadroid
    • Marcelo L

      Then have a look for yourself….Look for “HTC Vision”

      http://glbenchmark.com/result.jsp?orderby=dvsg_best&brand=all&submi=OK&benchmark=glpro11

      And if you want to see the specific benchmarks:

      http://glbenchmark.com/phonedetails.jsp?D=HTC%20Vision&benchmark=glpro11

      Considering these benchmarks were submitted 1 1/2 weeks ago, I sure hope it was done on an engineering prototype ( which I kinda doubt given how close it is to launch ), and not a TP ( to production ) device.

      Hopefully this puts a dose of reality into this discussion.

  • we’ll see how it performs when i use it until then the 800 mhz doesnt really have an effect on my decision. If anything it will help battery life

  • Taylor

    Anyone have any idea how much the Data plans will be for the upcoming HSPA+ phones? Especially for those of us who live in an area that’ll most likely not have HSPA+ coverage anytime soon.

    • Jonathan from Los Angeles

      Taylor, T-Mobile has stated that they will not charge customers extra for using the new network. Unlimited Data stays the same – $30

      • Taylor

        excellent. Thank you. Now I need to decide if I want the Vibrant or the G2 at the end of the month.

  • HD2/Vibrant USER

    Guess I’ll get this, then just turn around and sell it for the mthd, i guess.

    • jordan

      don’t be a preck

      • ihatefanboys

        lol, dont hold back…if u wanna call him a PRICK, just go for it !!! :-)

  • jjasonham

    I’m so torn. This is getting more appealing to me, even though I don’t really want a keyboard. I’m leaning toward whatever Emerald is, but I just don’t want it if the hardware is like the one you showed in the previous post. Is that photo even an HTC phone?

  • thaghost

    we’ve all been complaining a bit too much. this g2 is not perfect but wait til this mytouch hd comes out. we r still gonna complain. “oh the screen is too big” oh it looks ugly”. we’ll never get a phone with that attitude. ima get da g2. if it doesn’t satisfy me, then i’ll see how da mytouch hd looks n choose btw dat and da vibrant. all three r better than this g1. even though i have 2.2!

    Reply

    • jjasonham

      And all 4 of those are better than this blackberry I’m sporting!

      • thaghost

        lol, dats funny.

      • haha same here. i went evo for 30 days but came back to tmobile. im still holding out for tmobile because of HSPA so this or the HD might be the phoen i stay with tmo with
        for now im on my bb curve that has a broken ear piece

      • tortionist

        @jjasonham, and those and your phone are all better than the LG Sentio i’m sporting. This resistive touch screen really sucks. I can’t wait to get my g2 and unload this one on my 15 year old son.

  • Amanda

    I am definitely debating getting this or the new mytouch HD. I have the old mytouch now and I really miss having a keyboard (previous BB owner). Have to see the HD specs before I decide though.

  • Jonathan

    The 800 processor is faster than the 1ghz because of the way the processor runs and how the ram is used on the phone. The scorpion processor which is on the G2 handles 3d gaming and day to day phone use better than a snapdragon.

  • mtnman

    I have 2 lines. I have the Vibrant and the Cliq (I know, you don’t have to say it). Well the Cliq is coming up for an upgrade the 11th, so it its goodbye Cliq, hello G2. Now don’t get me wrong, I LOVE my Vibrant, I just hate the Cliq more. And if anyone thinks that the Cliq will get the Eclair update…Well just wait for Moto to say “Oh by the way”.

  • JoshL

    I’m still getting this phone, but I’m quite disappointed with only 800 MHz. I know it will be faster than most of the stuff out there now, but if it was a 1 GHz it would be even faster! :( Oh well… There’s just no such thing as a perfect phone.

  • thaghost

    so amanda, if u dnt like da specs on da mytouch hd, r u gonna wait for the new android/lg phone? or are you gonna get the ne moto/android phone? or are u gonna wait for the new sidekick 2011? it neva ends. just get a nu phone pls…sorry, jus blacked out.

  • Steve

    Oh well I’m still gonna get it.

  • B.

    Im running froyo on my G1 (thanks Tmonews)and with an overclocked processor its not bad, ive never loved my G1 more. it really breathed a little more life into this thing so i can tolerate it until the G2 launches.

  • Nate

    I wonder when Magenta will update the G2 teaser page … at least update the picture? Not like it is a secret what the phone will look like anymore.

  • Tom

    I heard that gingerbread won’t be compatible with devices that are under 1 ghz? Won’t this not be able to update then?

    • thaghost

      that’s an unconfirmed rumor which i dont believe.

    • Steve

      This is a false rumor that simply refuses to die. Besides clock speed isn’t everything.

      • Tom

        This is good news then. It did seem kind of fishy. I don’t think google would want to just cut off devices from getting future updates.

  • mtnman

    Maybe I ought to get this phone and with Magenta’s $0 AAL promo, I can get the MyTouchHD as well. Humm, decissions, decissions.

  • Rick

    I’d still like to know about memory, how much of what?

    • thaghost

      yeah. me too.

      • mtnman

        More than likely 512Mb of RAM.

  • mingkee

    I don’t think 800MHz is bad when running with plain Android.
    We know some UIs are nothing but resource hog. Nexus one is pretty speedy most of the time.

  • GeneralSanity

    Hey, 800MHz isn’t all bad. At least it should have longer battery life.
    I still want to see the top edge. They had better be hiding a 3.5mm headphone jack there. That probably isn’t a show stopper for me, but it will have to support tethering for me to pull the trigger.

  • jkspike3

    i totaly cant wait for this phone to come out.

  • somebody

    ok i guess im waiting on hd7 hd3 then. G2 is just not that impressive

    it’s not bad, but not worth my 2 year contract

    • ihatefanboys

      the problem with waiting for whats “worth” a 2yr contract is that when u finally find something worth it, something more awesome appears soon after…its going to happen…just pick a phone, itll be outdated in 6 months time, might as well not even go on contract if ur waiting for “worth”

  • rumors have stated 2GB of ROM but nothing on RAM yet, hopefully someone can get an answer soon

  • I wish it had a 1ghz processor but i dont mind 800mhz because i know how clock speed isn’t everything, its how efficient it is made with the architecture its used and the Adreno 205 GPU is going to make games and internet browser way better. I just got my myTouch Slide and two months in my screen is severely cracked now im waiting to get the G2.

  • patrick

    well, yeah it would of been nice to have the 1 ghz witht he stock vanilla so there wont be any lag with it, but since there is not going to be any skins or anything on there, its going to run fast. i still thimk its really cool that we are finally going back to the phone that started it all…only revamped. im not due for an upgrade anytime soon, but i really do want this and ill be able to stick with tmobile and not complain..haha. i mean, how many vanilla android phones are out there? i cant wait to see some actual live video on this phone!

  • Steve

    I bet that even at 800mhz this processor is faster than the 1Ghz Snapdragon. Besides it can always be overclocked.

    • somebody

      5ts actually closer to the hummingbird from what i have read.

      snapdragon is outdated

      • Steve

        It might even be a 1ghz processor underclocked at 800mhz.

  • Oh man, I’d love to have this as my side phone with the Vibrant. Keyboard looks almost as great as the TP2’s qwerty and it has STOCK ANDROID 2.2. That’s quite amazing how just about all new Android phones are getting these annoyingly bad GUI’s layered on top.

    Even my Vibrant, I wish they included the option of switching back and fourth with TouchWiz and stock. I wonder how it’s going to be priced.. (I was also hoping for this to be the dual core 800mhz phone, sort of disappointed.)

  • Myles

    It’s going to be $199 after $50 MIR with a 2 year agreement, or $499 on Even More Plus. There was an article earlier today showing the pricing.

  • TMOprophet

    I am betting this processor is just as fast, if not faster than the current crop of 1Ghz processors out there right now.

    I wouldn’t worry about speed, this will be a fast one.

    One thing that bothers me though is the myTouch HD is rumored to have the same processor..so then what’s the point in waiting till November to launch it?

  • ZZTop

    FAKE !

  • 007

    Htc the worst…..

    • 30014

      Compared to who? If you don’t like the phone don’t get it. I’m sure it will sell without your support.

  • deceptivesmiles

    The more I read about the G2, the more it peaks my interest. The processor speed isn’t a big deal to me. I personally feel that battery life>processor speed. Ffc isn’t an issue either since not many ppl have them so havin one now is pointless when by the time everyone gets one, this phone and the MTHD will be old as dirt by tech standards.

    I wonder how much Walmart is gonna offer this phone for. Haven’t had any issues w/ my plan gettin screwed up and get the phone a lot cheaper w/ an upgrade so that may be the route I’m lookin to take. Might also purchase the slide for the misses out of contract

  • rubixxcube00

    Excited to see this phone when it comes out. For now stuck w/my original MyTouch..any word on when i’m getting an update? :\
    And I really like that hotspot feature on the droid x..is t mo gonna get this feature?

  • emo

    So if the G1 comes with vanilla android 2.2, does that mean wi-fi tethering will be native?

  • threetee14

    I still don’t know what that G stands for on G1 and G2

    • Tony

      “G” stands for Giga-awesome!

      Or maybe just Google?

    • Robert

      G stands for Giggady.

    • PHONE FREAK

      It stands for google, seeing that it was their first phone. But the letters dont always stand for something.

  • wantg2

    what they should have put a snapdragon or something what about screen camera size anything on that

  • Tony

    I’m not sure what I’m more disappointed in, the fact that it’s only clocked at 800 mhz, or the fact that I signed up for the stupid G2 email updates, and not getting anything! Haha. All kidding aside, this phone looks awesome. My upgrade comes up at the end of the year, so it’s gonna be this or the MyTouch HD… or Glacier?

    Oh, and T-Mobile, please use a nastier looking scorpion in the future. Please. If Verizon can have scary-looking red-eyed Droids, we can most certainly have venomous-looking scorpions, not cartoon ones. Go G2!

  • twoscoops2002

    tmobile is a joke! i’m done!

  • twoscoops2002

    keep on waiting everybody…the only reason tmobile not coming out with the super phone is because sprint buying them in a year or so… that’s why there technology is not competing with the rest of the world!!!!! milk milk milk!!!! make your money tmobile!!!

    • PHONE FREAK

      Three words for you. GET A LIFE

  • sino8r

    Exactly what I TOLD YOU CRY BABIES… 800 MHZ. START CRYING NOW BABIES. MORONS HAVE NO IDEA THIS IS IN THE TOP 3 GREATEST PROCESSORS OUT THERE. WAY BETTER THAN MOST 1 ghz snapdragons out there. educate yourselves before complaining. if you don’t buy this phone becuase of that… then you are a complete douche. actually this will be less newbies I HAVE TO HELP AT XDA. TUBAKING KNOWS… AND YES MY CAPS BUTTON IS STUCK, LOL!

    • ihatefanboys

      CAPS LOCK FTW !! lol…. telling idiots to educate themselves is like telling a nerd to leave his parents basement or stop masturbating…its not gonna happen…many of us KNOW this is in the top 3 processors out there, but idiots see #s and dont bother using the internet for all its worth, investigation…..they just use the net to bother other people because no one wants to be bothered with them in real life….G2 is gonna rock….im gonna re-up for 2yrs then get the G3..lol

  • Wicked1

    I need to know how much memory is onboard, that’s what I’m worried about

  • sino8r they just dont understand

  • enianen

    I love, love, love the people claiming the “scorpion” processor will be faster at 800MHz than the snapdragon at 1GHz. Scorpion is the name of the CPU core that _both chips share_. If you look at the benchmarks for the HTC Vision (the phone that is the G2) at glbenchmark.com, you can see that the CPU scores are significantly slower than the Nexus One, HTC Evo, or even Samsung Vibrant.

    Maybe it won’t be a big deal, maybe it’ll help the battery life, maybe no one will notice, but stop trying to pretend it’s some new architecture and so the clock speed doesn’t matter. The reality is the MSM7x30 is a faster GPU (the new Adreno 205) but a slower CPU than phones that started launching at the beginning of this year.

    The “revolution” continues, I guess.

    • sino8r

      What on earth are you talking about?! ITS MATCHING THE VIBRANT (WHICH IS THE MOST POWERFUL DEVICE AROUND ALONG WITH THE NEW DROID. ARE YOU BLIND OR SOMETHING? THOSE TESTS AREN’T EVEN COMPLEtE FOR THE G2 ANYWAYS. THEY SHOULD BE EXCLUDED FROM BASING ANY REAL CONCLUSION. even if it is somewhat slower it can be overclocked to beyond 1 GHZ anyways. this phone will be great and a definate powerhouse. besides most folks wont even come close to using the full potential of this device. if cyanogen is getting one the day it comes out… what does that tell you? you obviously know nothing of android or anything technological. go away you troll… sorry my caps are stuck still.

    • Marcelo L

      @enianen: Maybe that’s why the CPU Floating point scores are so absolutely DISMAL on this phone.

      http://glbenchmark.com/phonedetails.jsp?D=HTC%20Vision&benchmark=glpro11

      It’s so bad, if you went to the CPU Float scores test, you’d have to scroll to the 3rd PAGE just to find the HTC Vision. Floating point performance THAT BAD deserves to get a “FAIL” rating.

      • ihatefanboys

        i think u and ENIANEN are the same dude, ur both talkin the same exact nonsense, the only 2 people here that are talkin about some obscure website, get a life dude…

  • going_home

    Disappointed.
    Its not looking like its better than my Nexus.
    Less of a processor, now what about the system memory ?

    :o

  • pimpstrong

    So whats the Benchmark and Speedtest on it?

  • ZZTop

    Think about it Why would it be 800 MHZ when every smart phone that is being released by any carrier is at 1 GHZ .Its like taking a step back……. use your coconut

    • ihatefanboys

      wow thats the most dumb statement on here right now…. do what SIN said…do some research before making dumb statements.

  • Midori

    How do people know if device is fast or not and none of have physically used it (Judging A Book By Its Cover)They know they are getting this phone because either they are die hard g1 fans or want a new phone with a keyboard.
    P.S. has anyone recieved info from signing up with that g2 website on t-mobile because I havent?

    • Marc

      I haven’t received any info either.

  • Vinyldestination

    I’m in the process of ditching my first gen unlocked iPhone for either a Blackberry or an Android phone. But show me some light here guys… Is “Vanilla” the latest Android version because I keep hearing Froyo and then Gingerbread. And second, what does “stocked-Android” mean?

    I’m not switching to another carrier, but this first gen iPhone is just so slow now. I do have a Mac and know, for sure, that I don’t want a Windows Mobile phone again. Will I have a problem “syncing” with a Mac or should I just follow the sheep and go to Blackberry. (Which I have never used)

    • pimpstrong

      Vanilla is what you actually see on the screen. It’s the User Interface between you and the actual Android Operating System (OS): 2.2 (FroYo) is the latest and best version, 2.1 (Eclair is the previous version which most most of your decent phones are still running. Anything under 2.1 is pretty outdated.

      People want “Stock Android” because they don’t like “Touch Wiz” – Samsung or “Motoblur” – Motorola etc.

  • Jake

    This will be great until two weeks later Verizon comes out with a phone with the same chipset that can go at 1.2ghz underclocked to 1ghz. Sorry but this is a step backwards, I really can’t get excited for an 800mhz processor. Why didn’t they underclock a 1.2ghz processor?

  • Jake

    This is like when Tmobile kept saying their edge network was as fast as 3g lol. I ain’t buying it. I love HTC phones except when they come to Tmobile.

    • jdog

      I get up to 7mbps on my Nexus compared to Sprint’s 4mbps on an EVO and the G2 can get even faster speeds since it is 3G+ ready, so welcome to the new T-mobile I guess :)

      • ItsMichaelNotMike

        I range from 2 to 6 Mbps on my Vibrant here in San Francisco, and that’s on top of a hill with lots of interference. (5 Mbps or 5222 kilobits per second on a test just done).

        Moving around the house I also performed the same speed test while on EDGE. Result 96 kbps (that’s about right since EDGE is supposed to average about 120 kbps, a little bit over double the old 56k modems).

    • Al

      not impressed by this phone. looks like nexus one with a key board. Whats the big deal with 4G speed when they cant even get 3G working

    • rob

      Then the real question is why are you even wasting your time looking at a site that is solely devoted to T-Mobile? Jake you win the prize for biggest idiot to post today. Congratulations!!!

  • cscorbin

    Not putting a 1GHZ CPU in the phone = fail..
    Why? Because VZW Sprint and ATT will all advertise their 1GHZ phones and TMO will be sporting a 800mhz “scorpion”.
    Sure it (might!) be faster at multimedia but the consumer is going to think in numbers only – and scorpion, what the heck is that?
    Dragons will always beat a scorpions.. :-)

    • sino8r

      Another guy who has no idea what they are talking about. The scorpion is the type of processor that is in the snapdragon chipset. Its the same cpu and you can clock it back to 1 GHZ. Besides a snapdragon is a flower, wow! You’re a total moron…

      • telos104

        @sino8r…LOL…we have them planted in our backyard…LOL

      • Aminor

        @sino8r I think cscorbin is speaking in terms of advertising. The individuals that don’t frequent sites such as this one will only see things in terms of numbers. Those people won’t know the difference. There’s no need to call anyone a moron… That’s just unnecessary

      • SurgioArmani

        Not to mention that in the phone world a Hummingbird beats a “dragon” (most of the time.)

        I’ll take a flower with a scorpion on it in a fight any day of the week!

      • Hmmmm?

        LOL, that was awesome! Was going to say something but you beat me too it.

      • Deke218

        Thank you. Now I don’t have to type it.

      • grumpy

        Sino8r I don’t think you get that post at all he was talking about the way the consumer will see the cpu.
        I happen to agree and the same goes for tmobile and their HSPA+ sure it might be faster than sprint 4g but they see it worded as a 4g LIKE connection not that it is 4g. Hey a hyundia is like a bmw but the avg consumer would rather have which one?
        I myself will be waiting for confirmed specs and benchmarks before jumping on this phone to replace my g1.

      • JohnB

        Currently, Android does not utilize GPU power for its regular GUI rendering. Windows Phone 7 does, that’s why it feels so much snappier. I’m sure Google is busy working on this “limitation” right now. :)

        I think GPU is important even on phones for many reasons. cscorbin is downplaying the importance of “multimedia” but it’s more than that. Even the hardware accelerated support for Flash will help millions of users who view YouTube daily. Look at where PC is now. GPUs do help in more ways than you think.

        cscorbin , you should also read up a bit on Adreno 205 GPU found in this phone. This article explains this GPU nicely:

        http://smartphonebenchmarks.com/forum/index.php?/topic/61-what-is-adreno-205-and-how-does-it-compare-to-other-gpus/page__pid__65#entry65

      • tortionist

        Amen to that.

    • ItsMichaelNotMike

      Sino… cscorbin is correct and is not a moron. Moreover he raises an interesting point.

      Public perceptions mean everything in the world of tech. While an 800 MHz chip may outperform a 1 GHz chip, the buying public won’t care. Many prospective buyers focus on numbers and phrases, without knowing what anything means.

      Perceptions are also evident in pricing, that’s why handsets are priced $199.95 instead of $200.

      Product names matter too (as well as names given to components inside and out). That’s why you don’t see cars called “Struggler,” “Pansy” or “SlowLane.”

      How many people see the name “Carl Zeiss” on a camera lens, know that’s supposed to mean something good, but don’t know why that is so (or even if it is in fact a lens worth looking for, on a Nokia N90, for example).

      The public does not shop with detailed information in hand. They go by what they hear on the news, from friends and with what the box says ON THE FRONT. (The careful shopper, who thinks he is being wise, will read the back of the box.)

      E.g.: Recall the camcorder wars when the public decided a camcorder’s quality/value based on the zoom factor sticker plastered on the box and on the camcorder body. I remember seeing a JVC with a ridiculous “700x Zoom” sticker on the camcorder. (I’ll dispense with explaining why 700x digital zoom is a come-on to entice morons.)

      E.g.: Many people do not know the difference between swill or a fine wine, so they order from the wine list based on price.

      E.g.: Many people think that the more bubbles a glass of Champagne has the better the bottle. They are totally unaware that bubbles are created from the wine interacting with dust in the glass, YES DUST!

      So when you tell a first date “Look at all the bubbles, this is a great bottle of Champagne, you better hope it’s not Andre you are calling “Champagne” and that she does not know why the bubbles are there. (Note I capitalized Champagne. That means I am talking about real Champagne, from that region in France.)

      I could go on and on, such as that in true Karate the intermediate belts don’t exist, those are an invention for Americans who need motivation and buy based on… you guessed it, perceptions.

      In any event, do you get it now, why cscorbin is not the moron here. ;)

  • Jake

    If the Gingerbread rumors are true and they may be, it will only be able to run on 1ghz and above and the only 1ghz phone tmobile has is the Vibrant, Samsung will take a year to upgrade at least. LOL. Tmobile is so infuriating!!

    • Marcelo L

      I love it when certain people around here jump on my posts because while a long-standing TMo customer, I am it’s biggest ( and if you knew me you’d know why I’m able to make that claim ) critic.

      Yes, all the statements of 800Mhz = Fail, Vibrant = only TMo Gingerbread phone, are DESERVED. Yes, deserved. The TMo USA management continue to treat the company as the “Please Sir, might I have another” orphan child as compared to the other carriers. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again, as long as TMo’s management treat TMo as the back of the bus carrier, that’s the kind of mentality they will foster.

      Me ? Neither this, nor the MT HD impress me in the slightest. If they can’t even match a phone the likes of the HTC Incredible, which has been out for 8 months now, and all they have to show for it is HSPA+ support ( which doesn’t guarantee coverage, consider that while my city supposedly has HSPA+ turned on, I haven’t seen ANY marketed increase in network performance, even in places where I KNOW their signal strength is in the -70 dbm ( i.e. on a scale from 0-31, this would be like a 20 ). The tower that has 3G near my home can best muster a 0, even though I’m 6 blocks away. So to the otaku out there, enjoy your fugly G2’s ( Doesn’t it look like a gray lifeless brick to at least some of you ? ).

      • cakesta

        Agreed!

      • Heath

        Disagreed!

      • swehes

        I’m pretty sure the Incredible came out in April. Don’t know how you figured it is 8 months. Let’s see. September = month 9 and April = month 4. That would make 5 months.

      • Robnoxious

        Stop now, troll!! This phone isn’t even out yet. Stop whining when you haven’t even played with it yet. Get lost and don’t bother coming back. Good bye now.

      • Marcelo L

        @noxious: Get real, everyone’s entitled to their opinion, and I’ve already responded to my mistake of choosing the comparison to the Incredible. Compare the Vibrant to the DroidX, a…what ? 3 week…no 4 week old phone ?

        Get in touch with reality. If you don’t like someone injecting some dose of reality into your “buzz” there are plenty of other threads to read. Move along.

      • Midori

        I think they’d prefer the word “Maniakku” LoL!

      • Matlock

        Honestly what is so special about the Droid Incredible!? you are saying that this phone cant match the Droid Incredible, what are you basing this on!? The Droid Incredible’s specs arent all that impressive. Big deal it has an 8MP camera, doesnt take pictures that look better than my Nexus or HD2. The 800Mhz processor in the G2, is faster and more efficient than the 1GHz Snapdragon, so in terms of speed the G2 will match if not beat the Incredible. Also you are saying that you havent seen any increase in your speeds with your network, so answer this what phone are you using? And how old is your sim card those things can affect your speeds. If you are unable to get the 3G/HSPA+ speeds than just switch carriers.

        Being that the 800Mhz Scorpion processor is better and more efficient than the Snapdragon, that means that when Gingerbread releases it will be able to handle it with no issue. The Incredible will def not be getting Gingerbread seeing as its a Sense enabled phone.

        Ive played with the Droid 2 and the Droid X, and was not swayed by them. The Vibrant is a great phone I dont see why you people keep on bashing it.

        I personally cant wait for the G2 to release, it will be a great sidekick to my Nexus.

        I bet if this phone would have been the Nexus 2, no one would be bitching about it!

      • kc

        The rumor that Gingerbread will only come to atleast 1ghz phones and all the other prereqs was already confirmed false. ……

    • john

      The vibrant kills the incredible, so aside from the fact that you are anti samsung, why is that not acknowledged. This will kill the incredible as well.

      • Marcelo L

        You mean the same Vibrant that has GPS issues right out of the gate, and the same battery issues the previous Samsung entry into this slot had ? And let’s not forget the stellar support TMo gave it’s customer in backing them up for their Android 2.x update ( yes, I’m referring to the BH II ).

        Does the Vibrant have a better GPU, yes. My choice of Droid Incredible, probably rhetorical. But is the Vibrant better than either of the other Droid entries ? Nah…beat the graphics ( http://smartphonebenchmarks.com/ ) here are deceptive. The speeds obtained were done by devoting 1Gb of internal storage as part of the dalvik cache ( not an apples to apples comparison ) otherwise the stock Vibrant gets an 889 in Quadrant, which is still several hundred below a stock DroidX, 1220. So you’re right, having a 1Ghz processor doesn’t do everything. Apparently neither does having the Hummingbirds PowerVR 540 design either. It’s dependent in great part in how your memory bus is architected.

        So you know what, I’ll hold back some of my criticisms until we get some corroborating information about how much faster the Adreno 205 is than the Adreno 200 in real life. Quoted speed numbers are for processors running flat out, in “best configuration” setups.

        My earlier statement still holds. This phone could be clocked at 1Ghz with very little effects on battery. Who’s willing to bet me $100 that this thing doesn’t get rooted <24hrs after release (if not before), and since the kernel source is already out there floating around, that some enterprising fellow will get this puppy up and running at 1Ghz and show little, if any, wear and tear on the battery life ? Hmm? To get this unit at 1Ghz isn't just about "getting it there" it's about bragging right ( It's a marketing thing ! What else did you think it was ? ).

        Once you have THE phone every geek wants, you get the notice of MSM where the buzz is building. Once you have the buzz, you get mindshare. Once you mindshare, you get CUSTOMERS. Do you really think more customers have signed up because of the $5 add a line ads ? Or the silly "we asked customers what they want" commercials ? Can you really tell me that the vast majority asked for more minutes versus a BETTER phone selection ? GMAB.

        And to the haters who say, "leave". Everyone's entitled to an opinion. That's what we're all expressing here. If you don't like mine, state yours. But state yours with facts, and not just rhetoric, or to be offensive. There is OBVIOUSLY a problem with TMo that they're ignoring. If I didn't like how TMo has generally treated me up to now, I would've left long before the 11 years I've spent with them. I think they can do better, and I'm going to rant about it as long as they continue to make ridiculous choices, like to underclock a processor for no appreciable gains in battery life.

    • ohheelno

      Then leave! Stop complaining.

      • Mahmoud

        yes you idiot only 6.5 million of T-mobile costumers have smartphones so you do the math. so in T-mobiles mind they are the minority so focusing more on $5 free add a line helps expand that because that is what the majority of customers want.

      • Marcelo L

        @ohheelno: I’ll be right behind you out the door. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Even an unniformed one as others are touting.

        @Mahmoud: Get real the only real growth in the phone market IS in smartphones, if TMo can’t attract newer customers, or move current customers to smartphones ( with the pricier dataplans ), then it’s stunted state is assured. We’re talking about more than just one phone here, yet this phone could’ve been leveraged to help TMo grow it’s market. If not from the likes of Big Red and the Blue Death Star, then from other smaller carriers like MetroPCS, Cricket or others.

        Considering the number of people in the United States who use their phones more for data than calling isn’t just on the rise, it’s in the majority ( http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/14/technology/personaltech/14talk.html ), a carrier should consider that when making product offerings.

        If you don’t like what I’m saying, there are plenty of other threads to read. I’m not attacking anyone personally, so if you dislike what I’m saying, refute it on content, and veracity. Not because you have some “buzz” you feel like protecting.

    • mikeybot
  • pimpstrong

    I can’t believe everybody is B@#$%ing about the processor clock. We all know that FroYo speeds up any phone first of all and second of all IF YOU F!@#$%G LOOK AT WHAT THE CHIP CAN DO http://www.tmonews.com/2010/08/t-mobile-g2-rom-what-is-inside-edition/ then there is no reason to keep complaining. The down clocking will give you better battery life and still keep up with anything out now.

    The fact that the G2 is skinless Android and is the will be the first Cellphone ever to hit the download speeds that this will hit should be the primary concern.

    This phone is an all around win and its ON T-Mobile!

    • Alankrut

      LOL, you r so true.

      Once again people LOOK the the link from pimpstrong, and you will be like ahhh
      And the scorpion is said to be 4x faster (graphically) than the snapdragon.

      I do agree im not a fan of anything less than 1GHz, but Scorpion isnt that far behind.

      So if you want this phone, cause amazing speeds, then get it, if not then dont ruin it for others, cause if a android noob was reading comments and he saw that you guys said that isnt as fast as the existing devices, wheal he won’t get it

    • tortionist

      @pimpstrong, you’re right on the money….Amen to that! I saw the you tube video on this processor. It totally rocks and will save some on the battery life. People should quit whining and start using their brains instead of being douche bags.

  • Ace

    Here is how i feel about the whole thing:
    1. For all those who are complaining about this phone isn’t better than what the other carriers have, leave, that’s all I can say on that.
    2. For the ppl, like myself, who still has a stock G1, the G2 blows my phone out the water.
    3. After looking at these phone for the past 4 months that T-Mobile is coming out with this is one of the better ones because of what I feel is the major selling point: Vanilla Android.
    4. People who are disappointed at the specs should realize that T-Mobile is geared more to the general consumers. If you have a problem with that, go back to my first statement.
    5. I have three choices of what I can do: a) get this phone as my added line and when my contract is up, get the MTHD or whatever sleek sexy phone is out there by May. b) buy the phone at a lower price and not the full discounted I can get when I hit my end of my contract. OR c) wait it out like I have been doing.

    This is my third time with T-Mobile since 2003, and you know what, I have no ill feelings against them, because, overall, it’s not a bad phone company. T-Mobile is the lesser of the evils in my book.

    P.S.
    Some of y’all actually need to chill with that buzz killing, but yet again, we are entitle to an opinion

    • Marc

      Tmobile is geared toward the general consumer? What does that mean? If that’s the case, it’s not working out too well for them, since most general consumers shy away from them.

      • Ace

        I say that because a good percentage of my family has T-Mobile and has been with them for about the same amount of time i have been with. But one point I forgot to mention that I know ppl what have phone the other major companies and the main complaint: pricing

    • Marcelo L

      @Ace: “…we are all entitled to an opinion”. I’ll agree with you there.

  • GreenTea

    If Tmobile is trying to get more customers this won’t do it. The specs r fine to me but I’m holding on my G1 until I see what they have for the rest of 2010.

    To the avg smartphone consumer who doesn’t flash roms or stalk cell phone blogs and just like flashiness

    800mhz<1Ghz=fail
    No FFC=fail
    4G "like" speeds= fail

    When Sprint..our main competitor in terms of price is bringing out phones with all of these…what are they on #3 now?

    • GreenTea

      Oh yea

      One dam tweet and No ads yet= marketing fail if it comes out on 9/29

      I love Tmo and this phone is decent. Ill get it if nothing comes out by Dec. G1 upgrade long overdue

      • kc

        looks like your judging the phone by the cover.
        -even though it’s 800mhz it’s still going to be faster and more battery effecient than 1ghz.
        -No FFC i agree on that one!
        -but 4g like speeds? it sounds bad, but it’s faster than current 4g speeds anyways. but in a few years 4g’s potential will most likely get much faster than hspa+.

    • pimpstrong

      they are on #2 now.

      To the avg smartphone user

      a 1ghz cpu slowed down to 800mhz is A) more than enough speed for your cellphone and B) better on your battery

      No FFC… no big deal really, its more of a gimmick anyway unless you are hearing impared

      4G “like” speeds is an understatement because T-Mobiles 3G on the new HSPA+ network is actually faster than Sprints “4G”. And Sprints “4G” is actually not really 4G at all and yet they call it that. This is why T-Mobile says 4G “Like” speeds because they do not want to mislead people into thinking it is.

      GreenTea you !@#$ on Tmo and this phone and then call it decent and say you’ll get one…?

    • cakesta

      Agreed! I consider myself the average consumer, I’m not up on rooting and all that other technical stuff. My friends and I buy phones based on our basic needs and of course if its cute. We are not “geeked” about the g2. I agree with the brick look alike comment. It may be current in some areas but they failed as far as appearances go. I’d take an 8 month old sexy incredible over this any day.

  • that’s crazy

    i Want this Phone but too bad my upgrade is not until april and i have the chance to pick the g2 or the mytouch hd or more. but coming from a 3.2 screen the g1 im looking forword for a 3.7 or a 4. a 4.3 is big so big that it wont fit in my jean pockets hahaha. scorpion procssor that act like a snapdragon and save power sign me up hahaha i love my g1 but the power isnt that great. but over all scorpin is the better choice.

  • Pete

    So Samsung just confirmed the Galaxy Tab running Gingerbread here http://gizmodo.com/5628353/samsung-confirms-honeycomb-will-follow-gingerbread-in-android-name+game

    This G2 running pure vanilla will definitely be ahead of the game for awhile even with this 800Mhz clocked Scorpion; which has better GPU capabilities than the Snapdragon. I’m just disappointed with T-Mobile because they COULD have put a 1Ghz in there. Oh well. It could be worse.

  • VeggieBurgerGuy

    I must admit, the 800 mhz thing is a big letdown. It’s like Tmo is only concerned with hanging around, not leading the pack. Why must we deal with this “either or” choosing game? I am officially indifferent for the rest of 2010. Scorpion is right, ’cause this news stings.

  • ikillwhinybabies

    sounds like the first 3 or 4 posts were written by whiny b*tches.. if any of u were actually technologically savvy rather than poseurs who base everything on Ghz’s and the likes, u might actually make a bit of sense rather than sounding like crying baby b*tches. Droid Incredible= Junk. Evo= Junk. Blog trolls= fagggsssss

  • jazzmanmonty

    cscorbin brought up a really good point in his post above! not the part where the scorpion=fail, but the fact that the general unknowing public will simply look st 800mhz vz 1 ghz and say oh 1 ghz must be better. this might hurt sales a bit for the G2 coming from the average consumer (not ppl like us who know better i think lol) if tmo was smart they’d add a processor comparison page on the g2 site to show that this processor is just as good/better than the snapdragon.

    • twbradio

      Also, assuming that the batter is conserved on the 800 Mhz proc, do a battery comparison as well showing faster page loads, better CPU performance, and then top it off with longer battery life. That would definitely sell to the second generation smart-phone crowd.

  • Howie_in_AZ

    This all but cinches it — I’m moving to Sprint; TMobile is allergic to quality phones. This should have been a 1.2-1.5GHz powerhouse with a front-facing camera, gobs of onboard storage, etc etc.

    • WXman

      We did this week, and we are loving it. I actually have 3G everywhere now! My phone is actually enjoyable! And the EVO is amazing. Did I mention that for all this and more our bill actually dropped $10 lower than the TMo EM+ plan? Yeah, Sprint’s customer service may blow, but the value and performance is THERE.

      • WinkyDinkyDogg

        Same for me. Tmobile will always have a soft spot for me, still have one line, but everything has “improved” since my move.

        My wife will be getting a G2 cause her G1 is on its death bed.

    • Um who are you going to talk to on a FFC? Most phones aren’t even coming out with them, nor have most people integrated FFCs… a 1.2-1.5ghz phone lol, you’re going above and beyond industry standard. Dual Core phone is rumored for the end of the year release but what other phones are really pushing a 1.2-1.5ghz powerhouse. Power house is exactly what it would be too, sucking up all the battery life and power in your house to charge it.

      • Marcelo L

        You can use Fring to make video calls, if you hadn’d noticed….without a forward facing camera it makes a little hard to do and still see the other person, but face the camera at you, and then put a mirror in front of your screen, and you can have a video call. Tested it out with a buddy at work who had fring, just to see if my theory was right. And it is.

        As for other phones, video calling will be the S__T, especially now that the iPod touch supports it. One of my kids already asked for it for the holidays because all their friends are going to do the same. Now, think 6 months ahead and ask yourself how many people will EXPECT FFC’s on their smartphones.

  • twbradio

    I only have one question … if this is the G2, where is the chin. They got rid of the chin and the funky keyboard slide. The only thing that really makes this the G2 is the marketing name and the vanilla 2.2. Not that I wouldn’t love to have it, but I would have liked to see at least a little shout back to the G1. Hmmm – they could offer it in a bronze color that really isn’t a bronze color and that would help make the link as well. Just saying – and trying to lighten the mood.

  • Alex

    I will happily take this brick and its battery consuming device looking like a brick, and enabling me to get gingerbread update and beyond. This phone is sexy. Honestly, what constitutes a good looking phone for those complaining so much?

    • Ace

      I agree, all you that would rather sacrifice performance over cosmetics might need to think bout that. You may have a sexy phone but it may only work for 4 hours before another charge. Which cost money, and we all know that saving money isn’t a bad thing

  • GEORGE

    i think what people are concerned about is if it will be qualified for gingerbread if rumors are true…..because we all know speed wise this phone will kick a$$

  • GEORGE

    i think what people are concerned about is if it will be qualified for gingerbread if rumors are true…..because we all know speed wise this phone will beat anything out there

  • ddrum2000

    “T-Mobile is also confirming that that Qualcomm MSM 7230 Scorpion silicone will be clocked at 800 MHz”

    Since when did Qualcomm start making breast implants…

  • TangoPapa

    Why does everyone already assume it will have great battery life? Take it from me who is an avid smart phone user but not geekishly technologically savvy and loves Tmobile’s service. I bought the G1 because at the time I knew it was going to be ground breaking…. it was! The G2 disappoints me from multiple angles. As a Tmobile loyalist, I can’t help but want a phone that beats all other phones in the market, even if its just for a few months. This phone doesn’t do that for me.

    I know many of you believe 200mhz isn’t that much of a difference but by that same train of thought the battery life shouldn’t be expected to improve that much either because at the end of the day….. its only 200mhz.

    As a consumer, I don’t see this phone excelling at any 1 category… it has lower processor, no bells and whistles, and really only Android 2.2 as a nice feature however one would think most other Android devices will be upgraded to 2.2 soon as well. It’s like trying to get excited about the Honda Civic, it does nothing great but has decent features all around and is a good deal…. No thanks! call me a dumb consumer but I want my flagship vehicle…. other flagships are selling for the same price as our Civic at $499??? what gives? T-Mobile’s buyer sucks and his or her negotiating skills sucks beyond reasonable doubt. Thats just the truth…. they didn’t negotiate a lower processor to save us battery life…. they shop off the shelf at whats left over from what other carriers have left behind, occasionally they get to be the test dummy for new technology that other carriers are reluctant to buy in until it’s proven acceptable by the market.

    The only thing that could possibly save this phone is if the battery life is remarkably better than other comparable devices…. otherwise this phone has no niche and will be just what it has….. Vanilla.

  • processor=fail
    keyboard=fail
    looks=fail
    the people who get it=failures

    • badbob001

      You made me laugh.

  • KrispyKreamher

    Looks like im keeping my HD2.

  • Marcelo L

    @TangoPapa: ” As a Tmobile loyalist, I can’t help but want a phone that beats all other phones in the market, even if its just for a few months. This phone doesn’t do that for me.”

    You see, the difference here is you’ve very nicely understated, what I’ve been saying.

    But then again, seems like no one here will listen to this anyway. They’re happy with the status quo with TMo, rather than speaking out and stating the obvious, as you and I have. Perhaps in different ways, but both very clearly detailing PRECISELY how TMo is blowing every possible opportunity given to it.

    Saving money IS important, getting quality and VALUE for that money is even more important. This phone doesn’t speak either of those.

  • cwalker

    I think this is a nice add on for t mobile collection.. and as far as the vibrant goes.. u people have yet to see the true power of this bad boy.. just wait

  • swoosh042507

    im on the fence with the 800mhz processor situation but im going to give it a chance ..besides vibrant owners should not even talk if you havent noticed the benchmark shows that the current frequency used on the vibrant is set at 800 mhz i own a vibrant my self and the battery is not soo great.. i love the phone overall but the battery is a deal breaker . also a keyboard on a device would be nice and i wouldnt mind a 3.7 inch screen.

  • GEORGE

    i think what people are concerned about is if it will be qualified for gingerbread if rumors are true…..because we all know speed wise this phone will beat anything out there

  • ThreeFourSeven

    Why “some” tech savy people are so ignorant? I’m tech savy and I know normal consumers will just look at numbers. They don’t care if one is snapdragon and the other is scorpion. That’s why verizon market is great. They specially say, with a 1ghz processor. So when T-Mobile has a commercial that says 800mhz. Which one is going to be better to an average joe?

    • Marcelo L

      @ThreeFourSeven: Finally someone who got the jist of what I was trying to come across with. Precisely……TMo after all, has to MARKET this thing against the iPhone’s, the EVO’s, the DRoid’s, even against it’s own Galaxy S variant phone. How do you get your FLAGSHIP ( and make no mistake, this is SUPPOSED to be it’s flagship smart(super?)phone ) phone noticed ? Stats…..numbers, something that catches the attention of the public and makes them think not just twice, but long enough that that second thought makes them look at the overall package.

      If you can’t capture a customer’s interest in the first place, you’re not going to be able to sell them on the whole package. Another N O T H I N G about this phone screams ( or says ) that. This phone doesn’t carry the same sort of buzz about it that the EVO did. Yes it was the first 4G ( level ) phone, but it also had a 4.3 screen, a forward facing camera and could boast that it would support video calling through 3G. So it had more than the “first HSPA+” talking point that the G2 has. Who cares if it has ends up really having 4x graphics performance of the Snapdragon ( even though we know that that number is only in theory and subject to myriad different other hardware constraints ). That’s not a statement they can cleanly make. Making that sort of statement is usually ancillary and supportive to some other primary attention getter.

      Consider “The G2, successor to the ORIGINAL Android G1, an evo-lution in the species. With a Gigahertz-level processor, and graphics power up to 4 times that of others. The G2, supporting TMobile HSPA+ network with speeds some 4G networks only wished they could match. The G2, the Next Generation of Android. Find the Next Generation of Android, only at your local TMobile store or reseller, and at T-Mobile.com”.

      That is a marketing statement. But only if they actually made a phone like that. This is not that phone. At least I haven’t seen anything yet to corroborate that it is.

  • Ace

    Here’s’ what I’m trying to figure out, why get mad at what phones come out, what specs they have and everything like that, when you know that something better is going to come down the line, that technology for you, I mean let’s break it down for phones with just keyboards:
    G1 comes out, people(some) gripped when the cliq came out
    Cliq came out, people wanted the Droid(even me)
    Droid came out, ppl wanted the Moment
    Moment comes out, ppl wanted the Droid2
    Droid2 come out, ppl wanted the Epic

    Any way you look at it there are going to be phones that are better than the next phone. When they come out with a phone that has a front facing camera, then one with a better camera comes out. When one comes out that is thin, so does another one that is thinner, anyway you look at it, you can’t win

    One of the best phones I have seen it the Nokia N8, but I’m not paying 600 for that, even though, let it had an android os and a better processor, ppl might go ape s#!t.

    I tell you what, for what it does, I like the G2, it’s a true upgrade to the G1, just like the MTHD is an upgrade to the MT3G. Is there things, I wish it had, of course, but its not that big of a deal to me, let me have a phone that does what it is made to do, be a phone. It not settling when you realize that you can’t win in the phone world, unless you have money to blow like that. This is how it is with computers, when intel comes out with a processor, amd comes out with something better, and so on, and so on, and so on.

    Like I stated before, for the money, I’m sticking with t-mobile, the most I’m willing to spend is like 105 for my plan, which is the best plan I can think of for me right now. I know ppl who spend 20-50 more than me with the other companies. I’ve talked to ppl who have Sprint, Verizon, AT&T, and T-Mobile, there is not a one who doesn’t complain about one thing or another.

    Just remember this: When one thing comes out, something come out better, that the way a lot of things work in life
    -But that’s my opinion

    • bige2k9

      i agree with ace.

      EVERYONE WANTS TO WIN, EVERYONE WANTS TO BE THE BEST, UNLESS YOU HAVE MONEY TO BLOW LIKE BILL @^$*ING!!! GATES YOU JUST CANT.

      i have an hd2 and i was honestly excited about this phone, but after reading what u guys said i just dont know, listen we all have a problem and we all need help, were all obssesed with being #1, especially me, i always want to have the best phone out of my friends, i have an hd2 and my friend has a droid, i like his phone better, honestly i juss wanna know if im making a mistake in getting this, should i stay with my hd2 or get the G2 or wait honestly

      me and magenta ride together and die together, tmo for life

    • tortionist

      It’s an accurate opinion. I wish more people would realize this.

  • I want to see the benchmark on this puppy. The thing that concerns me is 800mhz processor. If Gingerbread is coming soon this phone will not have the requirements to get the upgrade. I wonder why they did that. They may be responding to critics who ask for vanilla froyo out of the box.

    • Marcelo L

      @K.Ray. but it HAS been benchmarked. On GLBenchmark,this phone has been compared ( look up HTC Vision ) to others at ( http://glbenchmark.com/result.jsp?benchmark=glpro11&certified_only=1 ). Scroll down to the “HTC Vision”. Yes, this is probably engineering prototype hardware ( and possibly running Eclair and not Froyo ), but if you click on the “HTC Vision” label, you’ll get the “HTC Vision Performance” page presented. Then click on the “GL Environment” tab and you’ll see IMMEDIDATELY see that it is in fact the G2, because it’s showing up as the what ? Adreno 205, precisely the GPU supposed to be in the Scorpion 7×30 processors. Another interesting benchmark is if you select CPU Float performance. For that, you’d have to find the HTC Vision on the 3rd ( yes, 3rd page ) of the results and is rated at 1 Star.

      So yeah, here’s hoping that the DUT ( Device Under Test ) from “tmotech2” ( already previously identified as a TMobile employee, was really a device with a whole lotta debugging code thrown in slowing it way down.

      People, I’m sorry if you don’t like what I’m saying, but I’m not brandishing around unsubstantiated information. All this stuff is READILY available for anyone who cares to do the looking.

      If you don’t speak up about what you expect from a business provider, they may not “get it”. If they don’t, then ….then you can decide where to go from there.

  • Rilesman

    Can I have a switch that allows me to decide if I want 800MHz or 1GHz. That would make me happy.

    • kc

      im sure someone will Root it and provide an overclock for it that will get it over 1ghz easy.

      • Rilesman

        I meant without rooting. Rooting should have to be the answer to everything. Same thing with all these UIs….I just want the “Vanilla” please…don’t make me root.

  • daniel

    So Gingerbread will require a minimum 1Ghz processor? Or is the 800Mhz G2 still upgradeable?

  • Bonanza

    Once Robert Dotson is completely out of TMO. Come March, big changes.

  • GEORGE

    again we don’t even know if gingerbread is true or not or maybe its just for the tablets ……and not android phones did you guys think of that?

  • thaghost

    I cant wait to see how ppl react when the speed and graphics on this phone outperforms most of all the phones that r out right now.

  • GEORGE

    i mean people are so concerned about gingerbread when we really know nothing ….

  • Adam

    I just spoke with an “upper-level” tech guy at Tmobile about an issue and asked him about the G2 and UMA. He confirmed that the G2 will not have UMA. Suck!

  • Moose

    I don’t want to come off as whiny, I still think this looks like a solid phone which will do well in the market. For sure, it would be a great upgrade from my G1. That said, they just seem to be aiming for 90% of greatness, instead of going all the way there. With a 4″ screen and 5-row keyboard, this thing would rumble with the Epic 4G and come out looking pretty good.

    • Dale Murphy

      Agree with you, Moose.

    • eYe

      More like 80%, lol

      80% of CPU
      80% of the screen
      80% of keyboard

      The list continues….

      And I still probably going to get it

  • Relikk2

    WARNING, THIS MESSAGE WAS NOT PROOF READ BY PERRY. THERE IS A POSSIBLITY YOU WONT BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT I’M SAYING…

    The specs on the Scorpion that I’ve seen say that it runs at a minimum of 800 and a max of 1ghtz ( I assume this means it can be overclocked). Also that it has an awesome GPU that compare with the Galaxy S line. In reality phone’s typicly don’t run at their full potential. Cpu’s run scaled to save on battery life. I have a Vibrant. Depending on what App i’m using it runs inbetween 200 and 1 gig htz. I bet it spends most of it’s time between 400 and 600.

    I haven’t done any research on Gingerbread but I can’t imagine that running at typical phone resolutions with a linux based kernal that it would require 1ghtz. When people say 1 ghtz maybe they just mean a newer CPU, as all the new one till now have been clocked at 1.

  • bige2k9

    does anyone know for sure what the requirements for gingerbread are??

  • Jose Medina

    Screw the 1ghz I want a nice camera with a nice battery power. My hd2 Dies in 8 hr and I carry two batteries thats 16hr not even a full day :(

  • GEORGE

    gingerbread is for tabs only …………………..

  • funkmasterC

    To all of the whiny little bitches. We don’t care about your rants and why you hate or love T-Mobile. Talk about the article and please keep you childish rants to yourself. Jeez. If you don’t like T-Mobile, shut your f-ing mouthes, man up and say it with your money and go to another carrier. Freaking trolls. You can make your case without revealing your personal rants.

    • Marcelo L

      @funkmasterC: To all the deniers…..reasons why this phone is not a big deal have been posted. If you took the time to read the information provided in several places, you’d see this isn’t a run-of-the-mill rant. Get informed, and then comment back, dude.

      • funkmasterC

        Do you feel like I was pointing my comments towards you? Are you really that insecure?

        I am very well informed, however I don’t call myself an authority. This site is about leaks and speculation. If you think you are an authority you, sir are an idiot as these are RUMORS! These folks posting here are acting like a bunch of whiney high school girls. Seriously, punk – NOBOBY wants to listen to your bitchy little whining sessions. Get a f-ing clue. If you dont like it – leave. We don’t mind opposing viewpoints, but your rants against T-mobile are nothing short of pathetic. Do you really expect them to listen to a teenager on a blog? You really think you are going to change anything??? HAHAHAHAHA!

        I come to this site to look for upcoming technology, not to look at someone who thinks they are an authority because they might have graduated high school, visited a T-Mobile store and read a few blogs. You are not an authority and I DON”T CARE ABOUT YOUR PERSONAL GRIEVANCES – DEAL WITH IT, dude.

        Tmonews needs to moderate the comments and control who has the right to comment or else seriously interested parties will go elsewhere for news.

  • Jake

    This goes back to my DIK comparison, do you wanna have a 6 inch (800mhz)fast DIK or do you wanna have an 8 inch (1ghz) almost as fast DIK? Were americans, Bigger is better!!!

  • GEORGE

    jake your a moron

  • Jake

    This is why Tmobile bleeds customer’s, EVO or underclocked G2 to save a few minutes of battery? If you really want to save batterry get a phone that’s clocked in at 500mhz, lol.

    • Relikk2

      WARNING, THIS MESSAGE WAS NOT PROOF READ BY PERRY. THERE IS A POSSIBLITY YOU WONT BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT I’M SAYING…

      EVO will be slower. EVO with a higer clocked CPU doesn’t equal faster if the rest of the CPU is rubbish. The EVO GPU sucks nuts in compairson to what the G2 will do. Most of the time they will be running at the same clock speed anyway, the diffrence is that the G2 has a current GPU and the EVO has the same old tired GPU from 2 years ago.

  • Wow – a bloat free phone, if true…

    I wonder if it can Swype…

  • Angelicious

    Does anyone know if it will use micro sd cards, like the G1 did?

    • Reece

      only smartphone to not do micro sd is iPhone 4

  • ceas

    Why cant people understand that this is a 1 ghz processor.. just underclocked to 800 mhz?? so if the rumors of gingerbread requiring a 1ghz processor are true, the G2 will still get it… IT HAS A 1ghz PROCESSOR!!!!!

    • grumpy

      So everyone here probably understands that but for everyone else out there they will see 800mhz and that’s it.
      Plus why would I buy a new phone just to root it day one so I can do said overclock? I only rooted my g1 to take atvantage of updated software and features that are not supported on stock 1.6

      • ceas

        And what makes you think that you would have to root it to get it to 1 ghz.. clock speed can be changed later with os upgrades….

  • Jake

    Last Time verizon got a phone with less than a 1ghz processor was the original droid. SO maybe T-mobile is getting back to the basics, lol. They are getting a phone to compete with the original Droid. But Tmobile has worked with HTC in the past, that still means something in the buisness world. As an ex-tmobile employee it was hard to tell people why they should get a phone with our edge network that was almost as fast as 3g, it’ll be the same thing, the G2’s processor is almost as fast as a 1ghz, the screen is almost as big as the evo, well i’m tired of almost. And while I value the price and the customer service, Sprint is a much smaller monster than Tmobile worldwide and their plans are comparable to TMobile, same as their base numbers. For them to get the EVO and us to get this POS it’s infuriating.

    • Relikk2

      WARNING, THIS MESSAGE WAS NOT PROOF READ BY PERRY. THERE IS A POSSIBLITY YOU WONT BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT I’M SAYING…

      LOL, the EVO could barely break 30FPS in its GPU test. I dare someone to get Aspual 5 for there EVO and see if it’s even playable.

      • Relikk2

        SORRY PERRY,

        Should be Asphalt 5

  • Red

    Does this mean it can’t handle live wallpapers?

    • ceas

      yes it can handle live wallpapers… live wallpapers were included in the g2 dump laked a while back..

  • Jake

    Probably took them out because it would waste battery!!!

  • Scorpion is in the Snapdragon family. Its actually a Snapdragon processor. Its just being used @ 800mhz. now im sure it will be rooted and then u can max it at 1 ghz. It can still decode 720 P video. Its still a new technology. Its also a work horse. Besides 1ghz aint all its cracked up to be. I have a HD2 and it has issues running HTC Sense (You actually aren’t using all 1ghz of the processor). Smh! I maybe going back to the android devices when this comes out. Sure I can run android using linux (Which I do) But its a on going process that ends up fudging with the windows side of the phone. (Time reset, re entering WEP keys, Facebook not storing passwords) Its kind of a pain. But yeah relax live wallpapers are a staple when running Froyo. The Processor is really good.

  • Carlos

    HD2 Snapdraon = clocked @ 700mhz
    Vibrant Hummingbird = clocked @ 800mhz

    Both those phones have 1ghz but are clocked down so chill people also the mytouch slide has a 600mhz and it works flawless with android so I’m very content with the 800mhz that can be over clocked anyway..I’m in love with this phone and I’m excited to purchase it..

    • WARNING!!!! NOT APPROVED BY PERRY!!! ITS POSSIBLE YOU WON’T BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT I’M TRYING TO EXPRESS.

      Not true, at least for the Vibrant. I’m currently running stock kernel. SetCPU and SystemPanel have both shown my CPU hitting 1 ghtz. Not that it happens very often and that it hitting 1 will have much or any advantage over the Scorpion’s 800. Until the dual-core’s come out the only real difference with these high-end CPU’s are their GPU’s. The G2’s is Kick@$$!!

    • El Guapo

      This is just false… the Vibrant runs at 1ghz you dufus.

      The G2 does not have the minimum specs required to run Gingerbread – Android 3.0!

      Who in their right mind would buy this clunker?

      • scaulen

        Please point out where it says that 3.0 needs a 1 GHZ processor. Android engineers have come and said that it won’t need a 1 GHZ CPU. But please keep throwing out disinformation to make yourself a.) feel smart b.) feel important c.) have some one to talk to you???

      • George

        @El Guapo–“The G2 does not have the minimum specs required to run Gingerbread – Android 3.0!”

        Yes, it does. Google has NEVER set minimum standards for Gingerbread. A blogger on a Russian podcast mentioned the “limitations” and Google emphatically denied it the next day.

        Second of all, this phone at 800 mHz should be an equivalent of the Nexus One running the 1st gen of this chip at 1 gHz. The difference is the 2nd gen chip in the G2 is on a smaller die, which means it loses less to heat and can run at a lower speed for an equivalent power.

        If you’re really terrified of this phone, don’t buy it. Those of us who will buy it will be digging it while you won’t know what you’re missing.

      • ceas

        @EL Guapo your the dufus… Just because the G2 is Clocked at 800mhz does not mean it wont get Gingerbread. First off those rumors are false and said so by Google. Second, THE G2 HAS A 1 Ghz PROCESSOR!!! ARE YOU RETARDED ITS JUST CLOCKED DOWN TO 800 Mhz!!!

    • mike

      how do you clock the processor?

      • George

        Hit it on the back of the head with a table lamp.

  • VeggieBurgerGuy

    How much you wanna bet the Mytouch HD will be no faster than 700 Mhz?

    • Marcelo L

      You know what ? You might be onto something…I think TMobile has an aversion with putting truly “the best of the best available” out there in the way of smartphones. They must. The thing with the HD2 was a fluke because HTC wasn’t going to modify a phone they’d already been selling around the rest of the world for almost a year, just to bring down the clock speed on the HD2. No brainer there. Other than the Vibrant, which again, definitely could’ve supported a flash, and forward facing camera, they have nothing that TRULY excels performance-wise in their lineup.

      That “Sholes tablet” that appeared back at the beginning of the year ( obviously the Moto XT720 ) well, that quickly became the Cliq XT ( yawn ). So if people want to try to sugar coat all this, go ahead, you’re entitled to your opinions. But if you stick to facts ( look at other comments for the links to the GLBenchmark tests on this phone ), you’ll see that yet again, TMo has a non-starter at the gate ready to go.

      It’s not that those of us bearing non-positive comments are trying to be downers, it’s that we ( at least some of us, myself included ) actually want TMo to succeed and grow, and take on the bigger carriers. But to do that, they’ve got to get over this spazmodic blockage they have against picking the cream of the upcoming crop, and PUSHING IT THROUGH. I’m not saying releasing a phone before it’s ready, but you mean to tell me that they don’t have the man-power to do just that.

      Example: Project Emerald. When we heard about this last Thanksgiving it was like….”d_mn, wonder what they have cooking”. At first because of the what ultimately came out as the N1, we thought it was that. Then we saw that unless you were a newcomer to TMobile and willing to put up with a chincy plan ( or jump through hoops of subterfuge ) you had to pay a ridiculous price to join that train. And….it obviously wasn’t Project Emerald. Then some folks, actually, it was this sites sister sites that showed us….a successor to the MyTouch. It was underpowered, but at least it gave folks a chance at a real keyboard. No one even
      for a second thought this was Project Emerald. We know now that was the MyTouch Slide. Nothing to see here folks….move along.

      Then, some folks in Hungary put up picture of what we now know is the G2. Back THEN, I was saying, “No way. This phone has no character, no real visual appeal. It better be a MONSTER under the hood.”. The rumor of “there is another….” and fuzzy details were spoken about a high def MyTouch. But still it went around and around alternating between which of these two was the infamous….EMERALD.

      Now we have clearer definitions of these two handsets, and frankly, the MyTouch HD, if it is Project Emerald will either be as disappointing as this handset, or disappointing in being pleasantly surprised at how good it’ll be. I’m hoping for the latter, believe me.

      Some folks have hinted at a HTC Desire HD. I sure hope the MyTouch HD is closely related to that Desire HD, because the MyTouch Slide sure isn’t related to the HTC Desire. And another sub-Ghz, non-multiple core’d Android Handset would essentially say nothing less than “Hey, here are the scraps of what the handset manufacturers have to offer. Yeah, we know they have better handsets but you’re not ready to handle devices that powerful.” ( read: We’re not ready or capable of supporting devices that would encourage our customers to use data services in the quantity that would be engendered by such powerful devices ).

      So, what is Project Emerald ? Well, the G2 sure isn’t it. And if it’s the MyTouch HD, let’s hope they’ve picked a real GEM of an engine under the hood to power it, otherwise, any ‘Droid Cred TMo might’ve had having been the first Android carrier, will be “bye bye”.

      • ihatefanboys

        all i can say is people like u truly are the most self absorbed ive ever seen, gigantic paragraph to say what ?? that ur disapointed about a phone that hasnt even been released yet because the #s dont match what u think they should….u people need to stop bitching and google stuff. but even so, what i say to all u whiners, if sprint or verizon have what u think u want then gooooooooooooooodbye!! then we dont hav to hear how tmobile “isnt trying to be a top company”

      • Marcelo L

        That’s not the point I’m making. You obviously didn’t read, or chose to ignore the point. I’m not a fanboy for sprint, or big red, or the death star. I’m actually a pretty loyal TMobile customer who wishes they’d actually give their power user/business customers a real choice in upper end devices they sell. If you can’t handle that, too bad.

      • Marcelo GO TO HELL

        Wow your still here why don’t you leave already. everybody here loves T-mobile thats why they are on TMONEWS.COM in the first place. people love that T-mobile has cheap data plans(i still pay $25), fast network(i get 4 Mbps on my G1),and great costumer service. And i will love my g2 with 800mhz(the next generation of mobile processors) which will offer speeds of up to 14.4 Mbps now if you don’t like that then go somewhere because you don’t deserve T-mobile or The G2.you obviously don’t like T-mobile so i don’t think you belong on this website so please go f*** yourself and besides you must be bored and lonely because no one would write all of that on a website that blogs about a carrier they don’t like so GO GET A LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

      • Scott

        Apparently these two nutjobs think that anyone who wants a cutting edge handset should go join another carrier. Funny, that seems to be Marcelo’s point too. We can all agree!

      • A.Minor

        Why is it that when someone intelligently and respectfully explains their personal point of view and opinion, people have to jump all over them? Marcelo L, I understand what you are trying to say so it wasn’t completely in vain.

      • ihatefanboys

        @scott….if ur calling me a “nutjob” then u didnt read my post..so many of u losers that skim but dont read…tmo has 2 cutting edge phones…..the vibrant, and soon the G2…i was telling the marcello loser that if he “thinks” tmo dont hav good handsets, stop bitching and leave a company that is apparently constantly disapointing him. its a suggestion to make him happier so the rest of us that are excited for this phone, can be happy without reading the whiny, repetitive posts from the losers that are never satisfied, that always complain with no knowlege, that dont actually do any research on the phone and repeat nonsense. an example is all the losers that keep repeating that only handsets with 1ghz or higher processors will get gingerbread, even tho moderators on the site, and official google press releases have said its not true…

        @aminor…no one is jumping all over him, hes tryin to be deliberately negative for the sake of being negative, hes disapointed so he wants to bring everyone else down…there is no facts in what he said, and his opinion is just his opinion, and its a not very well informed opinion.
        if he is convinced that other carriers have what he needs then he should get out of his contract with Tmo…i thought my point was very clear.

    • George

      Not that it matters (because it really doesn’t) but the CPU on the MTHD is supposed to be dual core 800 mHz.

      Once you free yourself of obsessing over mHz and gHz and look instead at chip architecture and GPUs, you’ll stress a lot less over what are otherwise relatively trivial matters in smartphones.

      • ItsAllNoise

        I’m sorry but there is zero % chance the HD will be dual core. Thats pure fantasy.

  • GEORGE
    • JoshL

      That post is really old.. 2 months is like a light-year in smart-phone world.

      • Chris

        A LIGHT YEAR IS DISTANCE NOT TIME!!!!!!!

      • JoshL

        That’s why it was a simile. Light-year. World. Come on now; If you’re going to correct someone, at least be correct! HAAAA!

      • Jp

        @ Chris, working out the distance for a light year is 186,000*3600*24*365, which is 4,258,656,000,000 miles. ;)

    • McParty

      What’s the first word in the title of that article??

  • ItsMichaelNotMike

    This is a great phone and will perform just fine for the masses who might buy it.

    The only thing that might deter some sales (don’t know if any, some, or a lot) is that IMHO the phone does not look “sexy,” certainly not as sexy as the Droid X, Incredible, Evo and Epic.

    IMHO, it looks like a business device, not some hot new consumer device. It looks like something an old Eastern Bloc field marshal would carry.

    In contrast, look at the Samsung Galaxy S line of phones. They all have an appeal to them, in the “looks department.”

    While my Vibrant has been accused of looking like the iPhone, to that I say “no kidding.” But like any product, if a look is hot, that’s what you go with. You certainly don’t sit on the sidelines with your honor intact saying “We have a policy of never “stealing” or copying the competition’s concepts. If they were first, we honor all dibs.” To be sure, ask Honda about all this, when they just came out with a hybrid that looks like a spitting image of the Toyota Prius. Copycats, yes. Sellers of lots of Honda hybrids, yes.

    To me what’s hot right now is the jet black glass display with the front of the case having black tones too.

    This phone may evoke a quality look and feel, but it doesn’t even come close to making me as satisfied as I am with my Vibrant.

    Just my opinion on it. Others will differ, for sure. (And I duly note it may look better in the hand than it does in these pics.)

    • kai

      im sorry….a full keyboard slider which is just as thin as the vibrant or hd2? with stock 2.2….that is sexy…

    • 2FR35H

      I agree it looks horrible but maybe its like the Mytouch slide in the sense that it looks only ugly in certain colors. I mean if this is in a glossy black or white I’m sure yours and my opinion will change on the look of the device.

  • Perry

    So this can or cannot be overclocked to 1Ghz? Is 800 Mhz the max clock speed?

    • WARNING!!! THIS MESSAGE WAS NOT APPROVED BY PERRY!!!

      I wanted to send this to you for approval, but after much contemplation it seemed like a waste of time. Sending you a message for you to proof read and then sending you the message you corrected seems like ‘double work’. I’m crossing my fingers you can understand this. LOL

      The information I’ve read on this chip states that it’s min clock is 800, with a max of 1. All these phones are passively cooled and you are normally able to push them a little. I could only assume that it could be over-clocked to 1.1 or 1.2 ‘ish’ (if 1 is the max). This also comes down to each individual CPU and how good the silicon is. So, util we get the chip I have no idea and I doubt anyone else here does either.

      • Perry

        If what you are looking for is an apology then you have it. Thanks for the info.

  • Carlos

    And look how ugly the g1 is and it still sold well lmao..call me boring but I love the classy look of this phone..I’m sick of black slabs

  • jose

    i doubt thats gonna be the only color. the G1 was offered in 3 colors at 1st.

  • Original G1er

    Time to shed some light.

    Samsung vibrant = best CPU/GPU on the market. But has resource hog touch wiz 3.0 overlay U.I

    G2 with Stock vanilla android = less lag. Optimized. Less resource hog.

    G2 800mhz Stock vanilla android = runs smoother than 1 GHz hummingbird Vibrants touch wiz U.I.

    G2’s scorpion 800 GHZ CPU has fast performance than 1 GHZ snapdragons and right behind industrial leading Samsung Vibrants 1 GHZ hummingbird. G2 CPU runs smarter and more efficiently.

    G2’s GPU almost on par with vibrants industrial leading GPU.

    G2 battery life will be better than Vibrant.

    G2 will be built with higher quality materials  than Samsung Vibrant.

    G2 case will feel and look better than Vibrant.

    G2 3.7″ amoled screen will run same resolution as Samsung Vibrant samoled but G2 will look a little sharper with tighter pixel density to Samsung Vibrants 4″ 

    G2 hspa+ Internet speeds > Samsung Vibrant.

    So, in conclusion G2 > Samsung vibrant overall.

    • shawn1224

      You people slay me. The phone hasn’t even been released yet. People are basing their knowledge of the G2 on happenstance and imaginary specs. Wait till there’s something concrete out that you can actually play with before you give a detailed account of how one phone is better than the other.

      • ihatefanboys

        people like you slay me…. do some research on the chip before u say “imaginary”…and what exactly is happenstance ? do u even kno what that means, seems like u just wanted to put a big word in there. the specs of the processor is concrete, how the confirmed awesomeness of that chip will be applied in the G2 is the only question…but this 800mghz chip will run faster than snapdragons that are on the market…..like i said, investigating the chip will shut u people up.

      • Marcelo L

        @Shawn: You want concrete information, go check out GLBenchmark.com ( or simply look back through the comments to the links I’ve posted ), and see for yourself, why this phone is “meh”. And why some of us are calling TMo out on it.

        Others here are jumping back at detractors for whatever (fanboy?) reasons they might have, but some of us are just trying to point out serious and factual issues with this phone. Read for yourself, look up “HTC Vision” on GLBenchmark.com “Result” tab under the GL ES 1.1 Benchmarks, and you’ll see for yourself, what others are either missing or choosing to ignore.

    • 2FR35H

      @Original G1er

      Quit fanboying the device hasn’t even been released yet all your noise is based on speculation and not real time performance essentially the same as what Shawn1224 is saying.

      but in the case of your post lets go over it

      G2 has a 3.7 inch amoled with the same resolution as vibrant. Its NOT better because in fact the Vibrant has 4inches of SUPER AMOLED. Vibrant > G2.

      G2 has HSPA+ > Vibrant

      Thats really the only FACTS that is on your post of what you believe makes the G2 better than the vibrant.

      Everything else you posted is based on emotion and non tested information.

      There is no info proving a better battery life, nor a higher quality build or feel, almost on par doesn’t cut it, right behind hummingbird still means its behind, less lag hasn’t been proven, G2 running smoother than Vibrant has not been proven, Look and feel is opinion and to me it looks like a P.O.S.

      • Original G1er

        To clarify my post above, I was trying to point out how the G2 is one of the best well rounded, if not the best complete packaged android phone this year, and in terms of CPU/GPU its right behind the industrial leading Samsung Vibrant. Except, the G2 was made to be more efficient. In processing and battery life. Which I thank because I want to be able to make it through out the day without scrambling to charge it. They looked hard to make this thing last as long as possible!!! 

        Moving forward, Samsung vibrant has that extra unnecessary resource processing touchwiz3.0 overlay. 

        G2’s Internet will be a lot better than vibrants.

         G2 being built with higher quality body parts than the vibrant is fact. It will feel more solid and will feel it’s made of quaily compared to plastic vibrant.  

        Vibrants plastic case looks and feels cheap and looks like a iphone wannabe with it’s 2008ish chrome bezel. So does it’s touchwiz3.0 app launcher. It’s a fact the vibrant tried to mimic the iPhone in these general areas straight up. Every phone website, every critic and anyone with eyes recognizes this. Breaking news!

        Where as the G2 is an original google android phone that comes from the nexus one, G1 family.   

        My statement on G2’s stock android >>> Vibrants samsung touchwiz 3.0 overlay bullish.t remains fact.

        G2’s HSPA + >> Vibrant Nuff said.

        So yeah, Based on this alone G2 is an overall better phone. That’s why I returned the vibrant during my 14 day trial in august.

        Vibrants screen is awesome, I like this thinness of the plastic body, but it felt cheap in my hands. And most importantly that touchwiz 3.0 U.I is unnecessary. G2’s stock android is better for multiple reasons.

        If YOU think samsung vibrant is an overall better data phone. Well enjoy it! No hate, I’m just speaking facts how the G2 is the complete package. Has it’s + / -‘s but overall beats vibrant.

      • JaylanPHNX

        I actually agree with almost everything Original G1er said except for the screen comparison. He wasn’t really wrong in what he said, same resolution+smaller*size=higher pixel density. However, the AMOLED can’t quite compete with the SAMOLED on color saturation, brightness, glare resistance, etc. We’ll also have to wait and see if the touch screen is as exacting as the Vibrant’s. Those are all trade-off type things that come down to what’s important to you. Me personally, I want the Vibrant because I’m not a physical keyboard guy. Though if the G2 is thin and light enough, the stock Android and HSPA+ might sway me.

      • Matador

        Actually, no one know what type of screen it will have, according to many sources Samsung is running short on amoled screens, and HTC was looking into the super lcd screens or something to sub them, this is not fiction, but fact. The G looks to be nice, but honestly not the super phone everyone here claims to want. This is a good phone for the die hard keyboard users who wanted a more powerful phone than the slide. Another thing. Galaxy S has been rooted, so you will be able to go vanilla on it, you can also take out the bloat if you want and leave the custom ui.

        Myself, I thought I was going to immediately root my Vibrant, but turns out im ok with the ui, I can easily change launcher to market ones, I haven’t noticed any lag. I can care less if people think it is imitating the apples ui, and to be frank, it is, but only in the app launcher, the front screens still behave like android, I have widgets all over, live wallpaper, etc, apple doesn’t do that. Also Froyo wil be out for the Galaxy S line shortly, Ill root after to lipo the the unit a little.

        But I am happy G1 users will get something now they can be get excited about.. :)

    • chris

      The Galaxy S variants are the most powerful handsets to date.The G2 [although a very nice phone]not even close.

    • Sami

      Who said the g2 has an amoled screen?

      • Foxeh

        The blogosphere did, but that’s likely False. Even after everyone knew the G2 had the MSM7230, Cellphonesignal up until yesterday was swearing up and down that it had a 1GHz Snapdragon, HTC Sense UI (while showing off press shots that clearly do not) as well as the AMOLED.

        All of these are false.

        Move along.

  • jazzmanmonty

    i’m glad all you people that own a vibrant are so satisfied with it, when so many of you only bitched prerelease how disappointed you were with the specs/pics. hey i’m not 100% happy with this phone, but u know i’ll give it a chance when its released, and if i like it ill keep it like u vibrant guys that were iffy and now love it. if it sucks then i’ll return and wait for the mthd (i pray that blindtype will be released by then for i hate on screen keyboards but if i have to get a phone without one i will) come on lets get a presale/release date!

  • Zin

    Not sure about the weight of the G2 ?

  • Original G1er

    G2 will be the best overall phone this year.

    Better package overall than Vibrant.

    Mytouch HD will be disappointing. Because it will most likely carry the same cheap looking design as the my touch slide, but without the slide.

    Mytouch HD screen size is 4.3″ lets say, but what about the screen technology? At 4.3″ don’t expect amoled, much less samoled.

    Mytouch HD will have sense U.I overaly. Which is a downer.

    Mytouch HD would win me over IF it was completely redesigned from the cheap mytouch design.

    If it had 4.0 – 4.3″ amoled/samoled or super LCD.

    If it had stock android, and none of that sense bullish.t !!

    • ihatefanboys

      agreed on the G2…. u will just get a headache trying to tell hardheaded idiots how top of the line the G2 will be…haters will be haters, whiners will whine “800mhz aint 1ghz…waa waaa” they wont investigate it because of ego, and brainlessness…sad

      • Marcelo L

        You obviously have done ZERO homework on this…..if you’d bothered to look at either of the links I’ve posted to REAL WORLD benchmarks posted by someone CLEARLY from TMo, you’d see that in NO category does the G2 any other phone out there, and is clearly bested by many other phones. Furthermore, in one category CPU FLoating Point, it’s is DECIMATED, yes..that’s a quarter word for you nickel kiddies, it means to be “cut down to size” by so many other phones, it’s CPU score is 3 pages back !

        And as for the “freshness” of these benchmarks, they’re what ? exactly 8 days…yes, that’s DAYS, old. So I doubt a phone that’ll be generally available in what, 10-12 days, will have had an engineering prototype tested for performance, this late in the game.

        Get in touch with reality, mr. fanboy hater. If you really hated fanboys, you’d look at things objectively, which you obviously aren’t.

        Look at the comments, follow the links to GLBenchmark.com and read for yourself. Tens of thousands of tests with thousands of devices all reporting their performance make it hard to argue any special preference being applied by the benchmark to anyone, Sir. The HTC Vision was tested with the same version of the software others were ( since they’re categorized by what version of the benchmark was applied to them ), and it’s been shown not be any great shakes better than what’s out there. The truth hurts, but if you learn from it, everyone can benefit.

      • ihatefanboys

        last response to u, take your links and eat em, no one cares. factor in the GPU, what ?? u cant ??? because u dont have a handy “link” that has actually tested the GPU with the CPU….??? what ?? nothing to say ?? if sprint or verizon has better than take your multiple names that u post here under and go away. geez some of u trolls cant take a hint…

      • @ Marcelo L

        I see what you posted, and those CPU numbers are bad. Those CPU numbers are so bad I have a hard time believing them, lol. I will wait till the phone is out before I pass judgment. It just seems odd that they would put a really good GPU with such a slow CPU.

      • 2FR35H

        @ihatefanboys

        Quit being a fanboy

    • Marcelo L

      @Original G1er: “Mytouch HD would win me over IF it was completely redesigned from the cheap mytouch design.”

      I couldn’t agree more with this statement. The G2 however, looks, as another poster mentioned, “Something a general from an Eastern Block country would carry around in their pocket” ( or something to that effect ). It has the styling of a lead brick.

      • JoshL

        MyTouch’s have a ‘Genius button.’ Enough said.

  • Carlos

    The average consumer doesn’t know which is.higher, mghz or ghz…when I.start talking mobike processors to people they look at like wtf are you talking about? Don’t believe it then try it on a non techy person and see what they say…

    • Marcelo L

      @Carlos: Again, the average consumer isn’t the target for these sorts of phones, aside from the ability it gives a carrier for generating BUZZ. If a phone excites a certain demographic…..people will pay attention. And once you have people paying attention you can show them OTHER things which might have more relevance to them.

      Basic Marketing.

      Why is the iPhone so popular, because it generated BUZZ instantly. Despite being crippled with slower data capabilities than other phones AT&T had, it had the BUZZ behind it, and that’s what brought about all that user explosion for AT&T.

      • Marcelo GO TO HELL

        take your buzz and shove it up your A** you lonely mother f**cker. please go and comment or blog about it somewhere else because your wasting peoples time and NO ONE CARES WHAT YOU THINK!!!!!!!!.

  • ihatefanboys

    the point being, the scorpion processor combined with the adreno GPU make this a top of the line processor for a top of the line phone…to deny that and to talk about processor benchmarks, blah blah, and not take into consideration what the GPU does for that processor is to be a negative ninny, a whiny bastard, a troll at the very least. i envy those of u that talk the truth about the processor and how awesome it really is and battle with these trolls but ive had enuf for today, at least in this thread…we kno the truth, and when all the hands on come in soon, and they put it next to their precious vibrant, and its faster, and when gingerbread comes out and the G2 will get it and still be fast, then maybe they will shut up…..or maybe not….trolls never go away. good luck all

    • cscorbin

      Having that GPU on top of the 800Mhz cpu will help normal day-to-day use? I’m not one to play games or watch youtube I could care less about those features.
      I want something fast that can browse the web, email, apps ect and can keep up with the HSPA+ connection.
      Really, I don’t want to wait 10 sec to download a file then another 10 waiting for the cpu to fire up and open that file.

  • Marcelo L
    • cscorbin

      Ok if the results are from a true G2 this phone is probably not for me.
      I don’t care how many frames per second this thing can do. I care about how much data it can process not 3D or video.
      According to your links when compared to the vibrant

      Vibrant
      CPU Performance: Float : 7117
      CPU Performance: Integer : 26845

      G2 “vision”??
      CPU Performance: Float : 2439
      CPU Performance: Integer : 16313

      Also, NO I do not want a Vibrant and I’m not plugging it :-)

    • joel

      Those GPU numbers look about right- the Galaxy S line of phones are the only ones beating the Vision in GPU tests. Well, there’s a couple unknowns in there as well(what the hell is a “Compal NAZ-10?”), but the G2 is beating most of the competition. 30% higher benchmark than the Droid X and iPhone 4.

      As for the CPU, I’m not sure what to think there. It does concern me. But it also seems pretty suspect … if it’s using the same processor as the Droid X, how can it be possible that the Float and Integer benchmarks are so much less?

      I’m more optimistic than you, Marcello. I think this looks like a great phone. I’d like to see some more benchmarks other than this one(in my mind, highly suspect) source.

      • marcelo l

        If you look at who posted those tests you’lll see the user listed as tmotech2. That user was tracked back ( by another mobile oriented site ) as a TMo employee. I’m not saying to not be optimistic, but
        it’s hard to argue with these numbers. GLbenchmark is a well respected benchmark and. tough
        to argue against.

        So for those people who have to resort to personal attacks…grow up.

      • joel

        I’m not saying that there’s something wrong with the site, I’m saying there might be something interfering with the CPU tests. They should be a little lower than the Droid X or other Snapdragon phones clocked @1ghz, but not by much. Once I get a chance to get my hands on one in training, you can bet the first thing I’m doing is running quadrant a few times.

        Also, I’m not personally attacking anyone. Just discussing :)

      • AndroidGuy

        @Marcelo I want you to try this. I want you to call T-Mobile 18009378997 and tell them you have a tap, gravity or what not “feature phone,” tell them you can’t email and you want to talk to tech support. When they XFER you to tech you will be talking to a Tech2 rep. Yep, tech 2 rep is the guys who work on the “feature phones,” including all network and device issues. Maybe that will put it into perspective. That those stats may be “offical,” form the guy who fixes your Tap. Otherwise, I think your posts have been pretty fair. Also, if you don’t believe me, ask the rep when you talk to them.

    • sino8r

      Again… those tests aren’t even complete nor did you even post the correct comparison links! And yes, people should resort to calling you names because you’re an idiot! Now go away before I call the INS!

  • Original G1er

    lol, marcello.

    If a 1 ghz speced phone like Samsung Vibrant came with hspa+…. I’d rather get the G2 still with the efficient scorpion chip and extra battery life. Not to mention with efficient stock android, without any of that unnecessary touch wiz/sense U.I overlay BS.

    G2 is an original phone that is made with a lot higher quality materials than vibrant.

    G2 is a true original android phone like nexus 1, G1.

    1ghz hummingbird Vibrant = cheap iPhone wanna be looking case with chrome bezel with unnecessary resource hogging touch wiz 3.0 U.I overlay/iphone wannabe looking app launcher, phone that has android behind it.

    “Srsly gaiz, i wants a whopping 1 gHz with unnecessary sh.tty U.I overlays in a cheap material made looking phones!! I’m in the futurez gaiz with my 1ghz and I dnt give a crap about my battery life, either. Srsly gaiz, 1ghz is everything to me, srsly.”

    Sent from my iPad.

  • AC

    can we tether using this new G2? if we can then i will buy it

  • Original G1er

    To clarify, I’m typing all of this on my iPad.

    I like technology in general, doesn’t matter who makes it. I’m only biased when it comes to comparing quality electronics with another. If it’s good, I’ll get it. Doesn’t matter who.

    In saying that, G2 looks very solid. Is an original google android phone that comes from the nexus one, G1 family.

    Besides iPhone 4, G2 would be the phone I’d get. And will be getting because I’m accustomed to android since G1 launch. And like android.

    Evo, motorola droids, incredible, epic, vibrant, upcoming mytouch HD… Nope. Overall they are just rehashes.

    Apple – iPhone 4

    Android – G2.

    IMO for now. Until something comes out that has a BEAUTIFUL looking design, google written all over it/stock android, 4.0 – 4.3″ samoled/super LCD. If a phone comes out and naturally has sense or touchwiz U.I overlay… It better look utterly amazing with monster specs in it.

    • cscorbin

      iPad Grosssssss
      lol ok like the device hate the company that makes it.

  • AC

    i hope tmobile is leaving the tethering allowed on this G2

  • Yr 2015: This is bull crap I wanta phone with 10gHz NOW!!!! BOO HOOO HOOO big cry babies. Be happy with what ya got, if you dont think this phone is awesome then skip your way to another carrier and cry with them about there diseased phones that always NEEDS a new OTA patch or the battery only last 8 hours…lol… come on, there has got to be a reason your with TMobile and not them in the first place..just remember that!

  • Holiday

    i love fights

  • somebody

    this is phone is not worth the hype that comes with it… its not a bad phone from what i see but not great..

    plus it’s fugly

    there shouldn’t be people making excuses for a phone that hasn’t even come out yet, a new phone with max pricing should be top of the line for at least a month or 2 when it comes out, this phone isn’t /wont be. For that reason i pass.

    just my 2 cents…

  • Original G1er

    Yeah… But this phone look that fugly… I mean look at the droids… Evo, incredible, epic and plastically Vibrant.

    Only one so far that looks and feels quality is iPhone 4. Then G2 which looks more on the business/classy side from a physical keyboard/slider view point.

    Everything else looks like it could be sold at walmart/radioshack in the boonies. “Kyle, you get dat droid boooy?”

    • Original G1er

      Yeah… But this phone (G2) doesn’t look that fugly….

      *correction in top sentence*

  • Hmmm?

    I think that I will wait until the Emerald aka MyTouch HD comes out so that I compare against the two. I don’t see the point in including the Vibrant in my choice now, since it is not fully integrated with HSPA + and that it is available in my area. I don’t even care if these phones are better or not than Verizon’s or Sprint’s offerings. I like T-Mobile’s service and price, so, whatever they have to offer will have to work. Until I feel like spending more per month on a different network than I don’t see much choice in it. This phone will definitely blow my 2 year old BB Curve 8320 away, so I’m pretty sure I’ll be happy no matter what.

    • Original G1er

      Yup. Good idea to wait and compare to another upcoming phone like mytouch HD. However..

      I think mytouch HD will be disappointing. It’ll most likely follow the same cheap looking design as the Mytouch slide, but without the side.

      It will come with HTC expresso like sense U.I skin overlay. Which is unnecessary and extra resource hogging. Stock android is a lot better and smoother running.

      If mytouch HD comes in a 4 – 4.3″ it will NOT have amoled or samoled. It better have super LCD or bust.

      Complete redesign from the mytouch slide design or bust.

      Mytouch slide design cousin with expresso sense U.I = no go for me personally.

      • Hmmm?

        I agree, I’ve seen the picture of the MyTouch HD floating around and then compared to the Desire HD that we thought we might get, it just doesn’t work for me, at least in the way of looks. I mean you would thank the T-Mobile would see how successful the other Android phones are, such as the Evo, Droid X, and how excited people get when they see the Desire HD and hopefully work towards that. But yeah, now that I think of it, every “MyTouch” phone is the same, shiny, not what you think of as “high-end” Android Phone. I mean if you are going to market it as that, it would only make sense. Now, I understand that they market a lot of the previous ones towards families and their teens, but it just doesn’t seem like they are trying to hit that market here, but they might miss the target if they are going for the “high-end” crowd if they are not careful.

    • AM123

      I agree with you guys. Hate the cheap look of that mytouch hd floating around and the thought of espresso makes me wanna puke. I’m gonna see what the deal with the G2 is when it comes out (and if it has a 3.5 headphone jack) otherwise, I’m done with T-mobile and will say hello to that Verizon Evo-ish beauty!

    • jazzmanmonty

      ironically they had an article on some site comparing 2 year cost of phone and service for vibrant on all network and tmo was second most expensive! itd be the same for all android phones, so like u i love tmobile but we’re not getting the cheapest rate. ironically it was att with the cheapest. but i’m not leaving tmo.

      • noname

        The absolute minimum price was being compared in that article, not the prices for the same service. On the two carriers cheaper than t-mobile, you would have gotten much less for a little bit less money.

  • going_home

    I think the real question about the G2 that TMO needs to answer before I buy one is, will the G2 be getting Gingerbread 3.0 ?
    And even more importantly, what about Honeycomb 3.5 ?

    :D

  • Angelicious

    Will the G2 have swype? And does anyone know if it will use microsd cards? or will it support microsdhc?

  • just some dude

    What is it with T-Mobile and there idea that any of there new top of the line phones have to have a flip out keyboard and be bulky as hell, they need to fire there phone acquisition guy. Get some new blood in there guys.

    • Andrew

      ummm, this is a slide out keybord, kind of. It moves up instead so that it can have a great keyboard. Also, it isn’t really bulky. I would gladly accept some extra heft for a better keyboard.

  • just some dude

    slide out, move up out What ever you call it, it is what it is. And ok lets call it extra hefty. Im just saying that the hole G1, G2 design is very dated already.

  • tmo

    its a sleek desgin and the keyboard is easy to use..one thing i would like to mention is that it is a 3.7 and does not have a FFC..also doesnt come with swype..Screen has new LCD technology..the screen quality is freakin awsome and saves more battery unlike the vibrant..i would say more but will let yall jumo to conclusions :)

    • Foxeh

      OMG, it’s TMo itself posting on a blog!

      So a new LCD that uses less power than OLED, you say? Riiight. Just hurry up and post the official specs on your web site, kay? :P

    • Original G1er

      “Screen has new LCD technology” ???

      If true that’s awesome! It means it will most likely be “Super LCD”

      Makes a little sense because of the oled shortage. Nexus one is rumored now replacing it’s amoled screens with Super LCD screens because of the oled shortage.

      Samsung won’t be releasing their “Super amoled” screens for awhile….

      Personally, I’d take super LCD over regular amoled. Well, I’d be happy with amoled at a minimum…

      In all, if G2 comes with Super LCD that over looks the “smaller 3.7 not 4″” complaint. IMO.

      Super LCD + tighter pixel density in a 3.7″ screen = beautiful

      Just please no regular LCD in G2!!!

      • Foxeh

        You make a good point there, fellow G1er. Super LCD had slipped my mind, but I had heard HTC has been using those for the Nexus One because of the AMOLED shortages. That means this is actually a very likely scenario.

    • noname

      These are obviously lies. T-mobile has not released an android phone without swype since the cliq xt (not including garminphone and charm for obvious reasons). I do not see why they would stop including it now.

  • Jake

    Maybe the Next Generation T-Mobile phones will have a 500mhz PlantSnatcher Processor that will be superior to 1ghz processor’s. We love Tmobile but when I saw 800mhz I wanted to cry. Tmobile should be able to produce a 1ghz processor phone besides the Samsung Vibrant. We want to differentiate from other carriers, make the remember who had the first android phones. This phone is great but it doesn’t have a wow factor. Customer’s are customer’s and if you were to buy a 4 cylinder Corbett for the same price that your neighbor buys their 8 cylinder car. You’re always going to have to explain that to people, yeah their corbett is an 8 cylinder but mine doesn’t pollute as much. I want raw power and although this phone has it, I feel cheated!! Love, Tmobile but once Verizon and Sprint come out with their next batch of phones the EVO2 or The DROID (Insert Stupid name) they will destroy the G2 at launch.

  • joe

    can’t we all just get along?

  • Randy

    You people do realize your talking about a 200mhz difference here right?

    lol

    • Original G1er

      *shakes fist* need GHz over MHz

      *on knees whimpering begging Kosmo Kramers voice*

      …..”Newman has 1GHz in his evo I need G2 1 gigahertz over 800 MHz Jeeerry.”

      • @ JAKE, Original G1er, ….

        Intel I-3 3.2ghz

        or

        Intel I-7 2.93ghz

        Which is better?

  • davidohio

    Wow there are a lot of complaints about a phone that has not been released yet. We don’t even have all the specs yet and so many of you have already written it off as junk. I find that both ignorant and funny.

    • It is pretty funny. My favorite is all these ignorants who are so hell bent on HSPA+. “I’m not getting a phone that’s not HSPA+ because I’m going to download at 14mbs!” On what server? What internet server provides a 14mbps download rate? None!! You’re lucky if you get 1mbps. THERE IS NO WAY YOU WILL BE ABLE TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 7.2MBPS and 14.4MBPS on your handheld device. Those speeds are useful for tethering (and at 14mps, it useful for like 8 devices), which you can’t do unless your smart enough to root. And since some of you are saying, “who cares about the GPU”, and “800 is to slow of a clock speed” I would guess that you’re not smart enough.

      • Hmmmm?

        I’m not sure why we are ignorant because we prefer to have a phone that supports newer technology. I’m able to frequently get 3.5mbs download at home, true that’s not 14.4mbps, but there are many servers that allow over 1mbps. Do you think T-Mobile is ignorant for building an HSPA+ network or Verizon for building an LTE network that at minimum supports 25mbps. I’m not sure what’s wrong with buying current technology, even if it will be obsolete in 3-6 months. I’m sure these companies will be bummed to find out how stupid they are for spending billions of dollars building new networks, thanks for setting everyone straight.

      • Relikk2

        @Hmmmm?
        They are building it because they will loose customers since some people don’t understand there is no point for speeds that fast at this current time (other then tethering). I never said it was dumb for T-Mobile to build it, I’m saying it’s dumb for people to think that it’s going to revolutionize their current phone experience. It’s not! The point I was trying to express is that your 3.5mb is plenty fast enough for what’s currently available on the web. You will not see any difference between 14.4 and 3.5 (internet use)for years.

        Now if they release some type of new service this could be a very different story.

        What .com server is over 1mb, or even 2mb?

      • Hmmmm?

        The more I think about this, the more I think i’m not properly explaining myself. Which is why i think you took issue with my statement.

        The HSPA+ network is a huge benefit to people who have standard HSPA phones. For instance, a Vibrant using HPSA+ in comparison to T-mobile’s standard 3G will notice a massive difference in speed. Going from .5-1.0 mbps to 2.0- 7 MBPS is huge for standard web use. Once you hit over 2.5-3.5 range you will not see much of a difference between that and the 14.4. This is because of server bandwidth limitations. My point is that people who are getting excited about HSPA+ devices might be shocked because their web experience is going to be exactly the same as someone using and HSPA phone on a HSPA+ network. There will be a whole ton of bandwidth not be used.

      • xen

        relikk, i don’t think you really understand what you’re talking about. Specifically, I think you’re mixing up MBps (megaBYTES per second) and Mbps (megaBITS per second) (there is a big difference).

        1 MBps is roughly equivalent to 8 Mbps.
        MBps is generally what your internet browser uses when it tells you how fast something is downloading. Mbps is what ISPs use to advertise their speeds. So if your ISP is telling you they are providing you with 15 Mbps but you’re only seeing download speeds of 1 MBps, it’s not because the server is bottlenecking you, it’s your home internet.

        For example, my home connection is 20 Mbps, which roughly translates to a maximum of 2.5 MBps.

        In the case of HSPA+, 14.4 Mbps is just under 1 MBps, and is twice as fast as the current 7.2 Mbps. Web servers DO use up most of this bandwidth, even when just pulling up web pages. Go find a home computer that has only 7 Mbps (DSL) and compare it to someone with 20 Mbps (Fiber optics usually), you will see a HUGE difference, even when just browsing basic websites like cnn and engadget.

    • xen

      (sorry for the double post, but I forgot to add something)

      In fact, most servers do not have this “bandwidth limitation” you’re talking about. At home I get speeds of 2-3 MBps downloads from nearly every website I download from. When I was at university (which has 100 Mbps) I would sometimes even get up to 8-9 MBps download speeds from various websites.

  • tmo

    the screen is pretty frakin awsome..i wasnt a g1 fan but this is one to get a hold of. it doesnt show colors like the vibrant but as crisp..also in daylight you can still see the crispness of the phone unlike the vibrant :) im not sure if its super LCD but it does make sense for the quality that i saw…

    • Foxeh

      Hey, check this out.

      http://ow.ly/2yXgw

      Proof that you are correct! Here’s a snippet.

      “HTC is experiencing high-demand for many of our phones, specifically our phones with 3.7 inch displays. The new SLCD display technology enables us to ramp up our production capabilities quickly to meet the high-demand,” said Peter Chou, CEO of HTC Corporation. “The SLCD displays provide consumers with a comparable visual experience to HTC’s current 3.7 inch displays with some additional benefits including battery performance.”

      Super LCD confirmed! Ha-HA!

  • bige2k9

    should i stick with hd2 or get this

  • jazzmanmonty

    all this bickering about pro g2 vs pro hd is the reason tmobile is releasing two different phones. yes we’d love to have all awesome features in one phone but they had to (didn’t really but i guess i’ll make an excuse for them) separate the best of both worlds. as its shaping up in recent news both phones are gonna have the same processor. both will have 720p recording..will either/or have hdmi out? we shall see. both will also be at 14.4 cap on hspa+. so bicker all you want but thats what we’re looking at. one with smaller screen but keyboard..one with bigger screen and no keyboard. so lets stop this arguing back and forth and instead waste our time writing mass emails to tmobile to release what we want and to release specs on these damn phones. power in numbers… USA! USA! USA!

  • Jake

    Well ofcourse I see your point but the computer specs are still above 800mhz each so….

  • atlantian

    Scorpion uses Arm’s ARMv7 instruction set as the base for the processor, but Qualcomm added its own chip technology in order to improve performance and reduce power consumption, a Qualcomm spokesman said. Scorpion marks the first time Qualcomm has added its own applications processor technology to one of its MSM chipsets for both CDMA EV-DO (Code Division Multiple Access Evolution Data-Only) and WCDMA (Wideband CDMA) mobile phones, he said.

    The ARMv7 instruction set is the basis for Arm’s new Cortex A8 family of processor cores, unveiled earlier this year at Arm’s Developer Forum. Scorpion will run faster than the Cortex A8 core, at 1GHz, and will consume half as much power at that faster speed, the Qualcomm spokesman said.
    ————————————-
    understand a that ya are saying but if said and i quote “Scorpion will run faster than the Cortex A8 core, at 1GHz, and will consume half as much power at that faster speed, the Qualcomm spokesman said.” then why the hell did they down clock it

    source http://tinyurl.com/3a27cqq

  • A.Minor

    All I can really say is… simply put… regardless of how well the Scorpion 800MHz performs and how much better it is said to work better than the Snapdragon 1GHz, I think what most people are getting at is how much better a 1GHz Scorpion would be in comparison to the Snapdragon… That’s all, no need for hostility or name calling towards anyone who feels that way. Personally, I’m not making any judgements until the phone is released.

    • HD2/VIBRANT USER

      +2

    • Foxeh

      It seems that the common misnomer is that a 1GHz Snapdragon is a CPU. Snapdragon is a SoC. The Snapdragons we currently know and love contain a 65nm 1GHz Scorpion CPU with an Adreno 200. The G2 has a 45nm 800Mhz Scorpion CPU with Adreno 205, though it can be optionally clocked at 1Ghz too if they wanted too.

      The die shrink on the G2’s Scorpion lower its power usage but at the end of the day, the G2 sacrifices a little CPU power for a massive boost in GPU that provides hardware accelerated Flash. I’m not one to stray from the facts, but I’m of the opinion that this is not a bad tradeoff at all and will likely generate a much better user experience.

      I’m laying this because saying an “800MHz Scorpion is faster than a 1GHz Snapdragon” is like saying a “6-Cylinder Engine is faster a Ford Ranger.” That’s comparing a component to a package that utilizes a very similar component.

      My only practical concern for the G2’s CPU outside of specific benchmarks is how much that 800MHz is going to affect JIT performance.

      • A.Minor

        Thanks for the clarification. So, I remember someone saying that you could probably overclock it with root access… How likely/possible is that?

      • Foxeh

        According to the MSM7230’s specifications:
        http://ow.ly/2zhZv

        Extremely likely. ;)

        I wouldn’t be surprised if they pulled a PSP and clocked it up to 1GHz with a later update (don’t count on that).

  • shawn1224

    The fanboyism being displayed here is ridiculous. I know most of you are trying to pump yourself up for this phone but can you at least wait until it’s released before you start calling it the best thing since sliced bread.

  • David

    I think this graphic is a fake. It’s nowhere on T-Mobile’s G2 site. It’s nowhere on the regular T-Mobile site. I signed up to “stay in the loop” and haven’t received any e-mail. The speculation on this site is getting so out-of-hand that I don’t think I can find any actual “T-Mo’ news” on here anymore. Wake me up when some official G2 information is released. Thanks.

    P.S. I do agree with the marketing complaints. Dear T-Mobile: Please hire Apple and/or Verizon to help you out. There’s no reason even Sprint–Sprint for heaven’s sake!–should have more subscribers than you. Was Catherine Zeta-Jones really the best thing you guys had? Sheesh.

    • Foxeh

      It *was* there, you just missed it. Engadget got it, Phandroid got it, Tmonews got it too. I saw it when it was up but now that link just redirects to the G2 page.

      Seriously, why else would such a random looking URL redirects to that specific page?

      I’m really not surprised they took it down so quickly. With all the hype around 1GHz CPUs, bragging about 800MHz probably wasn’t the best marketing move, but on the other hand people were getting carried away with the “It has a 1GHz MSM7230!” and they probably wanted to put the kabosh on that rather than let everyone down when the specs became official.

      That’s my take anyway.

      • David

        Okay, fair enough. I only check tech blogs occasionally, as I’m not a geek or fanboy, so I haven’t seen the other sites. I see it (buried) on Engadget now. Cheers!

        P.S. Hope this comes in something other than silver. I think it’ll be a real head-turner in black or anything else!

      • ItsMichaelNotMike

        David… you are not a “geek or fanboy” is your excuse for posting a totally worthless, moronic comment?

        And you say it’s “buried” on Engadget as an additional excuse for your idiocy.

        You should simply go back to not checking the tech blogs, preferably not at all.

    • David

      Well ok, sorry, the graphic isn’t fake.

  • Sami

    I’m not gonna lie, I am a bit jealous of this phones keyboard and hspa+. But then again who really needs a keyboard these days when you have swype? I, for one, love my vibrant to death. I bought this phone day one and not once have I ever regretted my purchase. People hate touch wiz but I actually love it and see no problem with it. G2 looks like a great phone and I hope it becomes successful but I’m sure all other vibrant owners including me feel the same way, which is “I’m happy with my vibrant”. Who feels me???!!! Nothing compares to samoled except for MAYBE iphone 4.

    P.S. All this was done on my vibrant with swype.

  • alex32

    Some of you whiners have no idea of how amazing the g2 will be. Seriously who cares about looks of the phone? FUNCTION over FORM guys. Good luck to the people waiting for the mytouch hd with that horrendous expresso UI. I see a majority not getting the phone because of ffc, or it “ugly” or it has a qwerty, or its not 4 inch..and when I think about it..GOOD, dont get it. That means ill have more chances of getting this phone because it wont run out of stock (:

    What makes this phone already better than the mytouch hd is:
    android 2.2 vanilla froyo (main one)
    qwerty keyboard
    hspa+

    I wouldnt be surprised if the mytouch hd comes with a 800mhz processor too.
    Im getting this phone the day it releases and i knoww i wont regret it. I plan on having it for 2 years as well till the G3 comes out. I will only follow the G series..no mytouch crap

  • TangoPapa

    You know alot of the criticisms on here are pretty valid from a consumer stand point. Tmobile has to understand these are legitimate gripes from real world consumers. HSPA+ is awesome but I dont give it that much credit simply because in the real world…. you’ll hardly notice a difference.

    At the end of the day we Tmobile loyal customers just want a phone we can call our flagship…. beat out the other phones in some niche way. T-mobile’s corporate buyer seems as if they are incapable of strong arming manufacturers to give T-Mobile a solid offering. A simply threat to no longer pick up HTC devices and devote their confidence into Sony or Motorola would be a big enough chip to at least garner some attention from these manufacturers…. sure they could do better with Verizon but why lose a customer when you don’t have to. T-Mobile EXEC!!! Please man up!

    In the end, it actually helps us as consumers that T-Mobile isn’t as popular as the AT&T and Verizon. We enjoy less clogged bandwidth and lower rates because if T-Mobile neared AT&T or Verizon’s price point, they’ll start losing a majority of the fringe customers as well as the more tech enthusiasts. T-Mobile just needs to stay competitive and we the customers will benefit! :)

    • alex32

      android is a fast moving platform..every 3 months there will be a phone topping the other and so on. The consumer is going to have to deal with that and stop complaining. I consider tmobiles G series our flagship devices the same way verizon has their droids

      • Original G1er

        Meh, if I’m on android I’d go with the originals G2, nexus, G1 family that google works closely in conjunction with.

        I’m not down with all the other phones that have unnecessary expresso, sense, motowhatever, touchwiz U.I overlays, with Android behind it.

        Or else I’d just go with the iPhone 4. Personally.

        However, having options for consumers is great for a number of reasons. But as I said, on android, it’s the original fam or bust.

      • Foxeh

        It is quite scary how few vanilla Android devices there are. The G1 got updates very quickly all the way up until the OS became too large for the G1’s poorly planned partitioning. Still, I was able to sport Google Navigation (once it was put on the Market for 1.6 and up) while a friend’s newer, “higher spec’d” Motorola Cliq came with Android 1.5 and STAYED THERE.

        My G1 has made me very happy over these last two years and while I was happy to see Android progress really kick off after the Droid and Nexus One, I’m just not the type to demand obsolescence. From personal and vicarious experience, I most definitely want to stay with my treasured, fugly stock Android interface. That pretty much leaves the G2.

        The buzz is confusing at best and I don’t understand any of the drama (it’s a phone, seriously), but what I gather thus far:

        G2 Facts:
        -MSM7230, Qualcomm’s demonstration of this device is stellar.
        -GPU accelerated Flash 10.1 and SVG
        -3.7″ 480×800 display
        -Stock UI, Sense Widgets
        -HSPA+, more headroom is always better for varying signal grades.
        -4 row keyboard, bummer for G1ers, but at least the keys aren’t in a straight grid.

        Extremely Likely:
        -Super LCD Screen, less power than AMOLED and higher availability.
        -Top mounted headphone jack, I mean seriously.

        Preliminary benchmarks are interesting, but nothing to take as gospel. Linpack results between Incredible and Droid X between android 2.1 and 2.2 are just strange, for example. With one single benchmark for the Vision’s CPU performance with no specified conditions or driver state explained at all (JIT enabled?), these unfortunately tell us nothing. I do not know how useful FPUs are in a phone either, so I’m leaving performance comparisons off that list until we have something more concrete.

  • Nokia N900USER

    CONFIRMATION: For those who are wondering whether this phone has 3.5 headphone or not, It does. I have someone that saw and played with this phone today and it FLIES.

    • ItsMichaelNotMike

      Based on HTC Touch Pro2 USB audio port disaster I doubt we will ever see a non-3.5mm audio port on a handset again, at least not on phones from the major manufacturers.

  • ItsMichaelNotMike

    Any of you who have dissed this quality handset because it has an 800 MHz processor, you all are a bunch of mental slob phonies. How do we know?

    1. When you get a phone do you put it through benchmark tests to confirm that the chip is performing as expected.

    2. When you get a phone do you put it through benchmark tests to confirm that it’s an improvement over your old handset (and of course you able to do a comparison because you kept a record of your benchmark performance tests conducted on your old phone, way back when).

    3. And just what are your standards on benchmark tests, to determine the handset can stay instead of being sent back to the carrier?

    4. Come to think of it, have you ever sent a phone back within a buyers remorse period (14 days, 30 days California) SPECIFICALLY because YOUR processor core benchmark tests were disappointing. (I am not talking about some perceived “lag,” I am talking about benchmark tests that you actually conducted.)

    5. Pop Quiz!!! Who makes the actual processor core for the Samsung Galaxy S? Who makes the actual processor core for most HTC handsets?

    If you answered respectively Samsung and Qualcomm you just got an “F” on my pop quiz. Go sit in the corner and STFU, you are one of those “12X digital zoom on a camera is a great feature” idiots.

    Beech Slap: Do you even know how to perform benchmark tests and what all that entails? Please, tell us which program(s) you use to perform such tests.

    Beech Slap On Other Cheek: Post the processor core benchmark differences between any two “year-2010” phones you are considering.

    Bonus Beech Slap: Please discuss the extensions and architecture on those chips, including how the phone manufacturer or processor seller are incorporating core extensions on the handsets you like.

    And please, do tell why 99.9999999% of CONSUMERS should give a rat’s pitoot about your tenths-of-a-second differences (or even three seconds if you can fabricate such numbers).

    Warning: I am not talking about phone performance overall, because of an OS, GPU or feature bottleneck. These questions are directed at your unfounded, superficial bullsheet statements about core processors.

    Disclaimer: I duly note, however, that some consumers might buy a phone based on the numbers contained on a package or spec sheet.

    But I submit that T-Mobile and HTC made an intelligent and informed decision on putting an 800 MHz processor on this fine phone. Can YOU tell us what the reasons might be, for using an 800 MHz processor on the G2?

  • Midori

    I am excited that the people who have posted negative comments, pretend to be so business savy and rant in a ever so sophisticated demeanor about a device that they have personally used and studied the hardware and software(sarcasm) I mean,I know I haven’t personally used the G2 myself,which is why I don’t bad mouth it. It all comes down to personal opinion some believe 800mhz is worthless and even spot-on facts won’t change their opinion(stubborn).(although I believe T-Mobile wouldn’t launch a what will be highly hyped and high end phone that didnt exceed people expectations)

  • AndroidGuy

    I know I’m pumped for the device. The CPU specs look a little… strange. Can we think scale for a bit? Any who… I’ll make my decision once I get to test it. Also I love stock android. Just putting that out there.

  • Come on T Monews we can’t wait to get more and more info on this device. you do a great job. Keep up the great job and we follow you daily. thanks

  • weirdguyontv

    El Guapo? more like El Feo. because thats what your comments are- ugly piles of incoherent sh*t that lack any facts or intelligence of any kind. Please kill yourself for making a statement as dumb as ” the G2 wont be able to run gingerbread since its not 1ghz.” and btw, its clocked down to 800 mhz only to conserve battery life. Any body with half a brain can easily overclock it back up to 1ghz although it has been said in dev forums that it may be overclocked to 1.2ghz but then again, those could just be rumors. One thing that is not a rumor: the g2 is going to be faster than any other full qwerty stock android 2.2 hspa+ phone and that means it will smoke the droid, evo, and anything else you throw at it just because it has the REAL fastest network in America behind it, not to mention a sick Scorpion chip. long story short: you are dumb.

  • vinny

    Nothing I have seen today or tomorrow beats my Nexus One rooted. This device is still the best made, looking and powerfull of all.

  • Chrisg

    Has anyone noticed that even do T-mobile has shown of the phone on this page they still haven’t updated the G2 page? What gives?

    • Foxeh

      I know, right? Makes me wonder why I signed up to “stay in the loop” when TmoNews has had more info than they do! :P

  • T monews is the best and provides for those of us that thirst for info on upcoming phones. There come times that those that serve us well need to be celebrated. Thanks T monews.

  • Robert

    Am I on the right track?

    1. G2 comes with Android 2.2 Froyo.

    2. Next Android iteration is Gingerbread or Android 2.5 and this phone should be able to handle that.

    3. Honeycomb is Android 3.0 and is mainly optimized for Pads or Tabs. Maybe two years away and by that time the G3 will be unveiled.

    Close?

    • ihatefanboys

      sounds right on the money….besides thats my plan anyways…..retire my G1 for the G2…get all the sweet updates over the next 2yrs ….upgrade to G3.

      let the haters jump from carrier to carrier…losers..

      tmobile got what i want, and right on time too….contracts about to end.

      • Rectal Bleeding

        Your schedule is much like mine.

  • LinaBeana

    I’m realli liking this phone, I went to the tmobile store today and one of the reps there was tellin me stuff about it. I thought it didn’t have flash but I was wrong, he said it indeed has flash and it looks ezactly like the mytouch 3g slides instead its horizontal. He said its heavier than the vibrant, but not too heavy. The only color is grey, the black that we saw wen we first saw da g2 was only a prototype. Ugh I can’t wait ’til the 29th gets here, I’m actually kind of excited for a phone release wow.

    • dwillistyle

      It’s actually being released on the 27th. For sure.

      • Foxeh

        Wait… a Monday? Where did you hear this? They usually release phones on Wednesdays.

  • Jake

    Ok, I’ve been bitching about the G2 being DOA, now let me show you what should have been the G2 but wasn’t. http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/04/htcs-dual-mode-cdma-gsm-android-slider-hits-the-fcc-decked-out/ More than likely a 1.2 ghz version of that processor you guys were saying was faster than any of those 1ghz hummingbird snatchdragons etc…. This phone will come out on The Verizon Network at about the same time the very “revolutionary” G2 will. It will have GSM support as well so in theory we can go to Verizon buy it unlock it and use it for Tmobile and laugh at all those wimpy G2’s you guys keep defending!!!

    • A.Minor

      I don’t find your link silly in the least… as opposed to other commenters. Either way, that is a very attractive device… And completely based on conjecture, it probably has to be clocked that way since its most likely going to run Sense. The G2 can probably be overclocked from what I’m hearing… if that’s what some people want to do. After looking at the link I went back to the shots of the G2 in the wild (which I think are more appealing that official renders). I’m not as jealous of the verizon device so much. To each is own :)

  • ihatefanboys

    @jake…ok i read your silly link, now tell me where in there does it say its coming out this month, or for that matter this year ?? the G2 is not wimpy, and people that like “bitching about the G2” are obviously people with too much time on their hands. put your hands back on your dick, its the only hands that will ever touch it.

  • Walter

    OK im sorry,but i have to post this link and state a point. Just as Tmo got the buggy win mo HD2 and Sprint got the evo, Yet again Tmobile gets SHYTED on again by getting the lower end device by manufacturers. You all here is a link from engadget showing what i believe to be the CDMA version of the G2.

    http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/04/htcs-dual-mode-cdma-gsm-android-slider-hits-the-fcc-decked-out/

    Its a shame because this device is what us Tmo users have been craving, but big red gets it. And yes, it is dual core. I love tmobile dearly, but why would i stay with them and get the G2 when this soon to be released android killer with keyboard is being released under Verizon. Sighs.

    • Walter

      sorry its not dual core, but rather dual mode cdma/gsm. Rumored to to have 1.2 ghz.

      • AM123

        Walter is on point! And Verizon ALSO has the Evo looking sexy beast coming out before years end also! Tmo dropped the ball BIG TIME!!!! Verizon also offers 1 year contracts, unlike tmobile. I’m pissed but now I see the light and it’s time to move on to Verizon!

  • TangoPapa

    Woww, if that CDMA version G2 actually comes out w/ better specs than Tmobiles G2 then I’m definitely leaving Tmobile. I think I can deal with not as great customer service in exchange for so much other perks. This feels like a nail in the coffin for me even though its not technically official yet but if these rumors persist, I will take my 5 account line else where…. theres just no point anymore outside of customer service. HSPA+ is in theory the best right now but the usability will be no different since our phones are limited on Tmo. THis sucks but it doesn’t at the same time, feels like I’m breaking up with my long term high school girlfriend over years of fighting when we both know we’re better off separate but always end up back together again.

  • coolMANDINGO

    another variant of something weve already seen(nexus one ) . now on engadget i see tht verizon will have their version of this same phone. when the hel will tmobile get their OWN device that doesnt have a variant on another carrier?
    http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/04/htcs-dual-mode-cdma-gsm-android-slider-hits-the-fcc-decked-out/

  • SurgioArmani

    I’m still hoping that TMo’s been so silent about this phone because of some secret feature that’s going to blow us all away. No doubt in my mind that all these “leaks” have happened intentionally.

    • Marc

      Doing that will only lead to disappointment, don’t do that to yourself.

    • Foxeh

      I wouldn’t count on it, Surgio. Pretty much the only thing they can surprise us with is a lower price than expected, but I’m not even hoping for that much. Still, $200 on contract does look a bit steep since even Qualcomm introduced the MSM7x30 as the cheaper “mainstream” sibling compared to the high-end “Snapdragon” series. That doesn’t mean it’s not up there with the current superphones.

      There are a LOT of comment posts showing up here linking to that ugly Verizon phone even though a few comments over there say they prefer the G2 despite the MHz. Vanilla Android, optical mouse, better pocketability and potential battery life still seems to matter to some people, I guess. If you are in an area where T-Mobile actually has coverage, it’s kind of hard to justify the extra cost from a pragmatic point of view… unless your eyesight is going and you really need the larger screen.

  • Original G1er

    My only gripe about the G2’s body design is, it looks too broken up. Too many seams….

    It has too many divided parts all over it, which leads to dirty secretions in the spacings overtime.

    Too help fix this… I think they should have had one single black-backgrounded glass plate on the front like iPhone 4. A little thicker glass plate. Perhaps with the highly durable Gorilla glass.

    This would not only look a lot better and more uniformed but would be cleaner too.

    Despite fingerprint smudges. iPhone 4 did it, vibrant, and any 4.3″ screen that dominants the front of the phone has an dominant glass screen front.

    Coming in a rumored grey color only, only brings out these seams even more.

    But nonetheless, it’s an appealing looking phone and sets itself apart from others.

    • Original G1er

      Seeing as the glass screen dominates the top half of G2, and still has the hinge mechanism behind it… It’s still possible to have my purposed front glass design extend down over the edge and corners….

      Downers are

      1. It would probably cost more to manufacture a molded gorilla glass front top half body.

      2. Concerns about it breaking on a fall. Corners spider webbing over the screen etc.

      I’m sure with extensive research and thought this front glass body design could have been done.

  • Walter

    first off, the verizon version of the G2 is not ugly. secondly that’s not the point. the point is tmobile still does not have a real flagship phone. The G2 and Vibrant are both variants. HTC strikes again just like with the HD2. The verizon G2 will have better specs. It is a confirmed to be dual mode phone gsm/cdma. It is rumored to be dual core 1.2 ghz. Engadget was able to confirm that it is a 4 inch screen, so it already does the G2 one better. Tmobile is supposed to be striving for the best and try to go foward not backwards. Yes, I can live with these processor speed of the G2 but tmo should have landed the higher quality version of this phone. a processor that is clocked with MHZ is no excuse in this day in age, I just can’t take up for that. The problem is that manufacturers do not take tmo seriously and neither does its parent company. I don’t see tmo being here by 2015.

    • Original G1er

      Man I hope not. I hate seeing sprint/verizon logos on front of my phones.

      Something about the verizon/sprint logos being placed on the front annoy me and makes it seem cheap.

      iPhone 4, and the first G1 didn’t have AT&T and tmobile logos on the bodys…which I love.

      Tmobile placing it on front of vibrant and G2 = thumbs down. But still not as annoying looking as verizon/sprint.

      But verizon and sprint whore their logo on their phones like no other. It’s an eye sore personally.

      • SurgioArmani

        I don’t know about the iPhone 4 but the G1 clearly says “TMobile” on the front above the screen.

    • Original G1er

      Verizon now has it’s version of the G2 that’s made by HTC? Is it something new that’s been leaked out recently?

    • Foxeh

      I really wish people would use the “Reply” button, but I assume you’re talking to me. ;)

      To be honest with you, what I hate most about the American cellular business is that devices are artificially tied to carriers. If anything the Galaxy S is a step in the right direction. I like T-Mobile because they take good care of me and they don’t charge me up the tail so they can bribe manufacturers for exclusives.

      Also, this MHz race was silly when it was Athlon vs Pentium IV (which were literally clock for clock slower than Pentium III) and it’s silly now. For example, the iPhone 3GS contains a 600MHz CPU and a PowerVR SGX535 – same GPU as in the 1Ghz iPad and 800Mhz iPhone 4 – and yet it handles Epic Citadel just fine. That’s cold hard proof that everyone is obsessing over the wrong number.

      Will the G2 be as fast as this mysterious new Verizon device? Not likely. Is it going to be so much better that I’ll be willing to pay over a thousand more dollars for that slight bump in specs? Not likely. It’ll be cheaper for me to buy a new phone from T-mobile every eight months than it would be to switch to Verizon just to get a phone that I wouldn’t even like as much (as I have my preferences).

  • Original G1er

    I just saw on engadget verizon’s version of the G2 by HTC. lol

    2 things..

    1. They better get rid of that red exposing keyboard. IF they don’t, I would be embarrassed sliding that thing out personally. It’s horrible. Gotta go.

    2. No track pad mouse? On android? On a keyboard phone?

    Until Android has a clever touch screen implementation (like what apple did with the magnifying glass in iOS) on highlighting text for correcting/spacing… A track ball/ pad mouse is needed on android. Or it’s a pain. No matter screen size.

    Look at iPad, apples touch screen magnifying glass to highlight/select text and spacing is a BEAUTIFUL and a must.

    Screen size doesn’t matter son. Need track pad or other touch screen implementation to space/correct text.

    • Foxeh

      I know! I’m surprised Android still hasn’t come up with something like this for touchscreen only phones. Still, the only way I know of to copy and past naked text from a web page or an email is the method from all the way back to the G1’s release: Shift+Trackball/pad. No physical keyboard OR pad means that you cannot select text outside an input field. Perhaps some of the custom UI’s addressed that, but I’d have to look into it.

  • dcb

    So you people are worried that this phone on Verizon MAY have a slightly faster processor. ……why??? Do you have to compensate for something or just want to say “my phone has a 1.2 ghz dual core processor”. Truth is you guys that worry about these insignificant differences between phones probably make up about 2% of the population that buy cell phones and if you want to pay more just to say that your phone has a slightly faster processor shows how truly pathetic you are……go to the carrier that has a phone that makes you happy but in the end you will have less money in your walllet with a phone that does the same things as 10 other phones that are available……get a clue people!

    • Original G1er

      I’m happy

      For me….

      Android/full packed keyboard phone = G2

      Apple/touchscreen only phone = iPhone 4

      Baby baaabyyy

      • Foxeh

        Both of which are cocked at 800MHz. ;)

        I think one of the things I like most about the G2 is that it looks NOTHING like an iPhone, hehe. Still, the iPhone 4 is nice, I’ll give it that.

        The G2 can do Flash, though. Not just any Flash, but GPU accelerated vector Flash.

  • Want2CBetter

    Personally, I can’t wait for the G2 – I check every morning to see if Tmo is doing a pre-sale yet. :)
    I will not go with any other carrier because 1)AT&T and Verizon are just too damn expensive – I refuse to pay hundreds more a month for my 10 lines just for slightly better coverage and possibly better phones (which is an arguable point) and 2) Sprint has comparable rates (although they are changing that with all of the Evo 4G add ons) but their coverage is horrible where I live.
    So, with that said – I will get a G2 on the 29th (before if they let me) and replace my HD2 with it. I love the HD2 but just can’t get used to the lack of a physical keyboard.

  • russellg

    What is the size of the screen? I am hoping at least 4 inches. Does it state it anywhere? Is there any info on the resolution? I really like the super oem led’s that the galaxy line up is rolling out. Everything else seems to fall short. Am I the only one that feels that way?

    • Want2CBetter

      3.7″; wvga res (at least 400×800); OLED

  • zim

    I would just like a touch screen I don’t have to charge every 6 hours…

  • I’m getting more and more interested in the G2. When this comes out maybe i will have the money to get it.

  • somebody

    well since there might be a hd7 coming out i already forgot about this phone.

    the trick with t-mobil is to buy phones that are on all the carriers that way the phone wont suck. Just look at the vibrant its on every carriers and its the only good phone we have. Im sure if it was exclusively for tmobil it would suck donky ball.