(Updated) Woah, T-Mobile Has A Website Ready For An HSPA+ Phone?

By David Beren July 27, 2010 12:58 pm EST Comments (210)

UPDATE: We’ve just been sent the following image below from one of our sources. Check below for more teasing regarding this upcoming phone!

Update 2: Thanks to one of our Twitter followers, it was the folks over at PhoneScoop where our source first noticed this link! Not sure how we didn’t catch this earlier but hey we’re catching it now!

Update 3: The most important is of course the one you may already know if you have looked at the comment section. The source code for this website indicates the “Vanguard” is indeed the device that will become the first HSPA+ T-Mobile phone. The Vanguard is also known as the Vision/G1/Blaze/Unicorn.

We’re not really sure what to make of this, but one of our eagle eyed forum members found a link to an existing T-Mobile site offering signups for notifications regarding their upcoming HSPA+ device. Unfortunately we don’t know where the link originated from or who to credit for the find but in this case, we’re just happy someone found it and that we can pass it on to you. Of course, no device is actually posted, instead just a placeholder for a future device. I suppose we can read into this a little and say that it looks as though the phone will be something large, without keyboard, possibly an EVO or Droid X competitor judging by the fake image. However, we’re just guessing here and its very likely it could be anything…but with this site, rumors are going to run rampant anyway so why not contribute to the fun! Come on HSPA+ phones!

Hit the link here!

That’s twice today news has originated from our forums, are you a member yet??

Tags: G1 Blaze, G2, HSPA, HSPA+ Phone, HTC Vanguard, HTC Vision, Vanguard

Genie

This is funny…with image it can be anything..might as well say its a pos iphone

B

What kind of ignorant comment is that?

Bob

From the website’s html source:

Hostname: first-hspa-smartphone.t-mobile.com
Server: SIDEKICK-WEB04
IP: 63.131.147.59
Time: 7/27/2010 12:58:05 PM
Application ID: vanguard_/LM/W3SVC/74/ROOT-1-129247203074752470
Framework Version: 0.4.1007.439

So this is the phone from the Sidekick’s line. And it is the HTC Vanguard.
jesus

most of T-Mobiles websites say sidekick web.
Tim

There is also this in the code.

Is this the next G1?

Deadpan

What? No. It doesn’t even have a display OR buttons!
Steve is going to drop a veggie brick when he sees this!
nick

That’s exactly what I thought when I first saw the picture I said iPhone 3gs

notxel

This is great for T-Mobile. I’m holding out for the Dual Core beast that’s hopefully out by Thanksgiving. But might get this to tide me over. Decisions, decisions?

JaylanPHNX

I’m actually not holding out for the dual-core phone. I have a hard time imagining battery life on it being anything but nigh-unbearable.

joshuakprice1

I’m okay with that:) I already take a charger with me everywhere I go, anyway. The word of the month is “Car charger!”
B

That’s the same thing people say about 1 ghz phones with live wallpapers. No complaints here.
ItsMichaelNotMike

JaylanPHNX… I have been following the Qualcomm dual-core since February and know quite a bit about it.

Qualcomm has developed the chip to require LESS power than current phones do.

Yours was a main concern, public perceptions about battery drain.

Qualcomm’s reasoning appears sound to me. Of course you will be the ultimate judge, but the tests I have seen on its dual core look great.
Citation Needed

ItsMichaelNotMike says:
July 27, 2010 at 2:46 PM

Qualcomm has developed the chip to require LESS power than current phones do.

Yours was a main concern, public perceptions about battery drain.

Qualcomm’s reasoning appears sound to me. Of course you will be the ultimate judge, but the tests I have seen on its dual core look great.

___________________

*Citation Needed
Reece

I’m sure 10 years ago just the thought of having a 500Mhz cpu on a portable device was mind boggling itself and the thought of that running on a portable device for anything longer then a few minutes was pretty laughable – however since then chips became efficient to the point 500Mhz is pretty low end for a portable.

The dual core phones are pretty much as energy efficient as the current stuff which means more performance @ same wattage. 45nm = stuff like dual core phones not killing a battery (the lower the nm figure the better). The fear of battery hoggage would be assuming we was still stuck on >65nm chips.

http://pernecky.blogspot.com Perno

So the “big news” is there is a way to sign up for HSPA+ updates? You got me hook, line, and sinker with your Twitter post. I’m let down. Ah well, still interested to see what they come out with.

Asparagus

Hspa+ updates available by going to coverage on tmobiles site and emails by http://www.t-mobile-takeaction.com

tmo-ndroid

Could be wrong, but from the outline, it does not seem like it will be the iPhone…woohoo!!!
Garret

As far as I can tell – it looks like the device is going to be called “Vanguard”

View the source on the page, search for “vanguard”…then go to http://galaxy-s.t-mobile.com, view the source and search for Vibrant (a device we already know).

There are many instances where “vibrant” on the Galaxy S page is replaced with “vanguard” on the HSPA+ page.

joshuakprice1

You’re right,good catch. In fact, it says “appid=’vanguard’” Could that be refering to the ‘blank’ phone picture? Anyway, they could still be using the in-house codename. We don’t know that the vibrant page wasn’t changed on release. It’s not like Tmo doesn’t know that we can view the source….:)

Garret

You are absolutely correct – they could change it – however the CSS (styles for the page) is also littered with “vanguard.”

Not saying it’s not 5 mins of work with find/replace, just seems like there’s no point to doing that…if you’re going to find/replace, why not be really generic: “newphone”
Me

@garret

because then when it goes live you have to have a developer come back and update the file to say Vanguard (no one likes rework). Plus I don’t think they care if we know the name.

gmoney

Line 48 of the Source says “Vanguard”
gmoney

lol Garret beat me to it!
joshuakprice1

Anybody else notice the fine print that reads “device has a theoretical peak capability of 14.4 Mbps”? That’s the first I’ve heard of the new device not being able to get 21Mbps. Maybe that means this IS the iPhone, since it wasn’t really built with this network in mind. I can’t imagine Apple completely changing the architecture of their phone just to get a couple extra megabits, and Tmo is probably worrying about holes in their network. Jus’ sayin…

http://magicbluesmoke.org Hi, I’m 12 and what is this?

This is apparently a Category 10 HSDPA device. Which means you can get 14Mbps if you can manage to get 97% of your data transferred without errors. In other words, there is about 3% redundant data in the signal.

I read that on HSPA+ networks where you have a Category 14 device (21Mbps) that past halfway from the center of a cell to the edge, you will not be able to achieve better than 14Mbps. So while 14Mbps is a bit disappointing it’s probably less disappointing than getting a device that should do 21, but you only get 10 in your area.

Also, Category 9 HSDPA device (which I assume a Category 10 device also supports) gives 10Mbps but only requires 70% of data to be successfully received. I think that this will be the most common speed on lesser loaded cell sites considering most people will live some distance from a tower, which makes getting only 3% or less of errors difficult.

References: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSDPA#HSDPA_User_Equipment_.28UE.29_categories

ATT and T-mobile’s networks use the same UMTS network and WCDMA interface, it would not require a complete architecture change of the iPhone to support T-mobile 3G US. I’m no engineer but I suppose the rf amplifier would probably be the most difficult part to squeeze in and deal with.

Holes in a WCDMA(UMTS) or CDMA2000 network appear not from the data rate being used, but rather from how many individual phones are on a cell. In fact, a faster data rate will free up radio resources quicker for other mobile phones.

joshuakprice1

So Tmo is just ramping up with the phones, just like they are with the network? Interesting. I wonder whether the rumored Emerald is supposed to be a higher category device, or similar to Vanguard. Not that it matters that much, complaining about 14 Mbps on a cellphone is just dumb. AT&T (who I used to work for) made a HUGE deal about being able to offer 10Mbps with Uverse HOME internet. Charged something like 55 dollars for it. 14 Mbps is just plain ludicrous.
bo

fyi…

while ATT and T-Mobile utilize UMTS, they use differet bands to access their 3G networks.
AT&T uses 850/1900
T-Mobile uses 1700 band IV (AWS)

This means different radios and/or software/firmware. T-Mobile uses the 850/1900 band for GSM/GPRS/EDGE and thus would need to change the way the radios act on those bands to get those speeds.

larry

I dont like that limited markets mumbo jumbo down there. Last it said that, the G1 was delayed for months for Detroit market.

notxel

It says that HSPA+ available in limited markets. Not the phone.

larry

Yeah, we will see. i Dont they will slow roll the phone. Especially after stabbing the G1 in the heart.

http://soapboxuniverse.blogspot.com/?spref=gb K. Ray

Ok I’m game. I logged on and registered very eager to know what it will be….
The true answer to all things is TIME.

Garret

Vanguard.

gmoney

I personally don’t want to wait. I passed up the Vibrant hoping for a physical keyboard, but my G1 is limping…
mailman13877

Lol this is interesting. Atleast the article answer our questions when it said possible Evo n Droid competitor..That means the Vibrator isn’t hahaha..Wish Sprint got their refills in..Evoooo ftw

Tom

Sad
joshuakprice1

He was refering to the size and form-factor of the non-existent phone. Not the performance. We already know the “evoooooo” is outpaced by current phones. By the way, when you keep referring to the ‘vibrator’, it makes us wonder whether that’s actually what you use it for… No wonder it doesn’t work.

2FR35H

Wouldn’t it be funny if somehow the HSPA+ device turns out to be the motorola charm that has been delayed? lol

Derek

I HOPE NOT! lol

YJ

I’m glad I returned the vibrant.

fujitsujeff

i’m debating, if i still have gps, compass issues, and lags with no word from samsung i’m returning. Aside from those issues, i’m happy with the vibrant

2FR35H

Oh yup its confirmed Vanguard.
joe

G1 blaze has 800mhz processor and UMA and runs 2.2. The phone is a little heavy and when laying in bed the screen hinge collapse if you try and text. Overall impressed with phone

Perry

Such a liar. The G1 blaze will most likely be their flagship for a few months and they cannot release a 1ghz phone and then release a 800mhz phone as a flagship. They would not have a signup page if it was not a flagship.

Josh

hello everyone. i have the first mytouch and would really like to upgrade to a better handset. this phone is making me crazy with the lag and all of the other issues it has. i am android from here on out, but want more power. do you guys think i should get the vibrant or hold off for what is to come in the near future? i do not want a physical keyboard. will the vibrant be outdated when these new hspa+ phones come out or will it hold its own for a year or so? thanks for the help!

Garret

I can tell you this – I am so happy I get the Vibrant (I also had a laggy, slow, original MyTouch).

I don’t like the physical keyboard, and quite honestly, for my use, it’s superior to the Evo and Droid X. (Faster processor, better screen, and I don’t give a crap about an LED flash or front facing camera).

If you do get it – you will not regret it!

Josh

thanks garret. yeah, that is what i have heard from people i know that have the vibrant and what i have read from many different sites. do you think it will be trumped by soon to come phones? my mytouch was old in two weeks! i want something that can hang in there for at least a year.

eddie

It says the revolution continues, I remember when they said that about the G1 a new revolution

eddie

no I take that back, only revolution was the sidekick

eddie

VIEW THE FREAKING SOURCE CODE!
JYMMYB

HEY this is a samsung phoen that all i can said :p
ManoloDF

I really hope this is the one that has UMA on it. I read in a comment that this would be the G1 Blaze with UMA, though the 800mhz processor was a disappointing I was hoping for at least the 1ghz or a dual core. I really do want to see the UMA on it though.
mailman13877

I would so laugh if it turned out to be the moto charm like 2Fresh said. Evo is by far better than ALL phones.

john

When you get your 4g evo with no 4g coverage, then pay $10 extra per month for something you don’t get, and have slower web than I do with my vibrant with 5Mbps + download, and over 1Mbps up on a consistent basis, please make that the last time you post to this board. Meanwhile, I will keep my superior processor, superior screen, and you enjoy your dual flash, slow web, and inferior phone…screen leakage and all.

Galen20K

Here we goooooo! – D
Genie

well its also safe to say that the device will have some kind of button also :) hahaha
look at the picture on the corner left of it where the picture gloss is coming of looks like a button!!

whodat

its a micro usb slot
Davidohio

Genie that picture is not of the device, clearly.

Anthony in Utah

Didn’t T-Mobile fire their CEO so we can get the better phones?

Asparagus

CEO stepped down after 15 years….average CEO is something like 3 to 6 years….

whodat

Let me get this straight.
T-Mobile ends the sidekick line (rumored that it would be back, but made from htc)
T-Mobile ends the G1 (The phone that gave android a name)
T-Mobile Got its name by who? 2 Things Catherine Zeta-Jones and the SIDEKICK

I believe this, Well I really don’t know
mailman13877

TMO will never give you a better phone cuzz they are about saving money n not making money. Long live the G1 as TMO only competitor ever lol.

NiiDiddy

Heeeeeee’s baaaack! Lmao! I think you are becoming either a joke or a laughing stock to many of the guys on this forum. Not me though…you are cool like that lmao. :)

whodat

http://www.huawei.com/news/view.do?id=11162&cid=42
Then what is this?

joshuakprice1

That runs on GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, and UMTS2100, as well as HSPA+ 900/2100. Tmo is 1700 so this may be headed for europe. This was also announced in february, so I can’t imagine them releasing this thing as a rebranded flagship phone.
joshuakprice1

Oh, and if it is the huawei, it has no keyboard, and processor is unknown. But it runs 2.2, has a 3.8 inch screen, HSPA+ 14Mbps, 5MP camera, and a flash. Not for me, but should satisfy a few people, unless it has a subpar processor.

Barry

Where has it ever been recorded that the charm was hspa+ cmon maaannn !?!?! Does anyone have exact specs on vanguard cause I first heard 3.7″ screen but that latest pic looks to be slightly larger even though there’s nothing to scale it with.

larry

The width in the photos suggest it may be 4″, something about it looks fatter than a nexus one. just my .02

http://magicbluesmoke.org Hi, I’m 12 and what is this?

At first I was like “WTF, I am disappoint” at 14Mbps, but then I was like “Hmmm, I read that during testing with a 21Mbps capable device, 21Mbps is unobtainable once you’re halfway out from the cell center to the edge…”

I don’t think 14Mbps is too bad (10Mbps may be the most common high speeds anyway), but this plus a device with a physical keyboard is the wrong side of the compromise. I’d rather have a smaller device and/or larger capacity power cell than a keyboard.

I’ll keep on trucking with an unlocked AT&T phone on T-mobile using EDGE until something decent comes about for T-mobile. What’s decent you ask? It’s not that hard: No physical keyboard, small form factor (3.5-3.7″ screen), high capacity power cell (7 hrs talk on 3G). Pair it with a decent cpu/gpu combination and you got a less laggy Android phone that isn’t tethered to a wall. Perfect.

http://dragonladykitchen.com jmfos

Did you just describe the Nexus One on 2.2?

Quikzilver

The idoit mailma arrive to spray his hate and tell us about his lackluster Evo and is dumbphone quality screen.
Exec4Future

hah, dumbass; the g1 WAS never a competitor. the only good thing about the g1 is it was the first android phone but it still sucked maaaaaaaaad amounts of balls in every other category.
http://www.twitter.com/reignzone Reignzone

Don’t forget the leaked roadmap… because from what I recall, the Vanguard couldn’t possibly be this rumored G1 Blaze device with a keyboard. Especially considering, like the Motorola Milestone campaign in the UK, the placeholder actually does represent a physical outline of the design. It’s NOT the new Sidekick, and as far as I can tell, this most definitely won’t have a QWERTY keypad bulit-in. This is very exciting, nonetheless…

B

I think you’re mistaken.

http://youtube.com/thisguyjohn ThisGuyJohn

Sweet, glad to see TMO finally bringing hot dancers to the party.
Matt

In the title section of the Source code it also states that the site is being hosted on the “SIDEKICK-WEB04″ server. With Sidekicks being scrapped a few months back, could the new sidekick also be the new Android phone? That would most definitely mean a keyboard slide out of some sort.

Hostname: first-hspa-smartphone.t-mobile.com
Server: SIDEKICK-WEB04
IP: 63.131.147.59
Time: 7/27/2010 11:59:22 AM
Application ID: vanguard_/LM/W3SVC/74/ROOT-1-129247203074752470
Framework Version: 0.4.1007.439
JR

So they give this teaser 3 months out!? Too long of a wait to start this, but I guess they want to capture anyone looking to leave TMO or attract people who’s contracts on other providers is expiring.

Hopefully, this will come earlier than expected. Hmmm “Back to School” I wish.

larry

I dont think device is really 3 months. More like mid September im guessing. Which is perfect for me.

http://youtube.com/bonsaiblog Paul

” ”

Sounds like the G1 Blaze to me, no?

http://youtube.com/bonsaiblog Paul

Oops it stripped out the html. This was one of the meta-tags:

meta name=”keywords” content=”HSPA +, Smartphone, G1″

Tim

Yeah, I saw that, plus there’s this:

Get news on the first HSPA + smartphone from T-Mobile and the latest smartphone in the G series.

Dan H

hahahhaha i bet its the iphone with a plastic FIX to the antenna issue! look where the bumpout is – lolol sj did say the bumbers were free until end of september – and white iphone is delayed – so there u have it a nasty plastic bump out to cover the design flaw! lololol long live android!
tmoiphonewisher

Um……..is it just me, or am I the only one that thinks the silhouette of the phone pictured looks like an iPhone 3G? Just asking.
Mark

Did you all read the fine print?
“Device has a theoretical peak capability of 14.4 Mbps”
So at best, you won’t even get 14.4! MEH!

notxel

Theoretically what are you getting now compared say even 12 Mbps? I’m sure not even half. So a 50% increase isn’t enough of a boost? I would say so.

alex

Its an HTC phone.Which means no iphone :)
http://www.tmonews.com/2010/07/is-this-a-real-leaked-t-mobile-roadmap
joe

The blaze is being tested by a person in our store. Its not a 1gig processor its a 800mhz but runs super fast with 2.2. Has led flash as well with hspa+ uma. Works well

gmoney

pics or it didn’t happen.
UMAUFTSP

Joe, could you confirm whether or not it has a hardware keyboard? Thank you!

NiiDiddy

Let’s do the darn thing, t-mobile…come on, let’s go [in my P-Diddy vocie]!!!
joe

Can’t take Pike it has serial number on the front and I’m not the one testing. It will leak soon enough

P.K

since you had some hands on experience with it…..other than the fact it runs hspa+ is it better than the vibrant?
Ninjawarrior

Actually he is not a liar. The phone shows as a 800MHz, but I believe it is because it is a DUAL CORE 800Mhz. I’ve gotten a peek at it one myself.

Here is another tidbit for you…..wifi calling is on the phone.

Charles Xavier

“HSPA+ available in limited markets” is a major UNDERSTATEMENT. EDGE available in limited markets is an understatement. Even coverage in limited markets is an understatement.

gargoyle999

And HSPA+ is only available in limited areas in those limited markets. I live 20 miles from Minneapolis and work 10 miles from Minneapolis which was one of the new HSPA+ markets turned on on the 21st. No HSPA+ available in either place for me.

Until HSPA+ coverage expands any HSPA+ phone gets a big “YAWN” from me.

30014

I live 30 miles east of Atlanta and I’m covered by hspa+. As a matter of fact nearly the entire metro area is hspa+. So your statement doesn’t apply to everywhere just the Minneapolis metro area.

DQ

Just thinking that bump in lower left corner is a weird place for a button, more likely a port? If it is a port wouldn’t that be the side the keyboard would slide out? If so I would think that there is no keyboard since it wouldn’t slide out under a port. That is if the picture outline is correct.
Davidohio

I saw this a week ago on t-mobile.com when i was on there reading about hspa+ . I signed up then to be notified.
phonegeek

my only thing is if its saying:

Hostname: first-hspa-smartphone.t-mobile.com
Server: SIDEKICK-WEB03
IP: 63.131.147.59
Time: 7/27/2010 1:21:35 PM
Application ID: vanguard_/LM/W3SVC/75/ROOT-1-129247210798184607
Framework Version: 0.4.1007.439

could this be the sidekick twist i mean im just seeing the server name i mean it does say vanquard though
VIBRANT/HD2 USER

so is the screen size 4in + or what??
bigc17

WOW……finally something to fully comfirm a hspa+ phone. From the little white placeholder where the phone should be, the phone does look pretty big, like evo..hd2….droid x big so it has to be a flagship phone….at least for now. After thinking about the articles ive read about this new phone, this seems to be the g1 succesor, the g1 blaze….here is why i think so:

* The g1 just got retired today after almost 2 years of availibility

* The g1 blaze is the only phone we’ve actually seen w/ tmo branding and that said it is an hspa+ device

* The outline of the placeholder on the website does look like a kinda slim phone w/o a keyboard but, the g1 blaze could just be a slim qwerty….maybe even slimmer than the droid. None of us have even seen the phone on its side anyway

* And last but not least, i don’t think tmo would show one certain phone for what 2 months and then release a completely different one

All i know is that tmo needs to release at least 2 super androids before Christmas to satisfy its customers.