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	<title>Comments on: $350 ETF on Nexus One</title>
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		<title>By: strv21</title>
		<link>http://www.tmonews.com/2010/01/350-etf-on-nexus-one/comment-page-1/#comment-42490</link>
		<dc:creator>strv21</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to the $350 ETF from google. If you read the fine print it&#039;s not an ETF. It is a equipment recovery loss fee. You are paying the difference from the new customer price/upgrade pricing and retail. So please be cautious on what phony info your posting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to the $350 ETF from google. If you read the fine print it&#8217;s not an ETF. It is a equipment recovery loss fee. You are paying the difference from the new customer price/upgrade pricing and retail. So please be cautious on what phony info your posting.</p>
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		<title>By: alan</title>
		<link>http://www.tmonews.com/2010/01/350-etf-on-nexus-one/comment-page-1/#comment-42472</link>
		<dc:creator>alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ ItsMichaelNotMike - good point and well said. i wouldnt know how many people change their mind and return their phones just because they want to own the new phone out. We even have or had people that would get a &quot;weekend phone&quot; that they would return on monday. what losers... anyways im glad google is doing this because its preventing people from buying it and selling it on ebay. And the one plan 79.99 thing is preventing people from buying the phone under one account and using it for another. I know it prevented a friend of mine from getting his because he did not want to put his friend on a 500 min plan because he had an unlimited plan. I wonder if googe has a strategy on how they are going to prevent insurance fraud because we have been told that t-mobile and assurion will be insuring this phone with a deductible cost of $130 and i already know people who r planning to pull this nonsense.

all i have to say is that this whole google direct via mail thing just reminds me how cool it is to have an apple store at almost every mall/shopping center in beautiful SOCal... I cant stand buying crap online because you have to return it the same way you bought it. The good news is that at least childish and whining costumers will not come and complain at the retail store cuz now we will be able to say &quot;go talk to google!&quot; gotta love this!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ ItsMichaelNotMike &#8211; good point and well said. i wouldnt know how many people change their mind and return their phones just because they want to own the new phone out. We even have or had people that would get a &#8220;weekend phone&#8221; that they would return on monday. what losers&#8230; anyways im glad google is doing this because its preventing people from buying it and selling it on ebay. And the one plan 79.99 thing is preventing people from buying the phone under one account and using it for another. I know it prevented a friend of mine from getting his because he did not want to put his friend on a 500 min plan because he had an unlimited plan. I wonder if googe has a strategy on how they are going to prevent insurance fraud because we have been told that t-mobile and assurion will be insuring this phone with a deductible cost of $130 and i already know people who r planning to pull this nonsense.</p>
<p>all i have to say is that this whole google direct via mail thing just reminds me how cool it is to have an apple store at almost every mall/shopping center in beautiful SOCal&#8230; I cant stand buying crap online because you have to return it the same way you bought it. The good news is that at least childish and whining costumers will not come and complain at the retail store cuz now we will be able to say &#8220;go talk to google!&#8221; gotta love this!</p>
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		<title>By: Android fan (Not so much Google's store)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Android fan (Not so much Google's store)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 12:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s right.  Google&#039;s &quot;ETF&quot; is not for the full length of the term.  It works the same way at any big T-Mobile dealer (Wirefly and most of the others are 180 days).  Not so big a deal.  What IS a big deal is that they tack on a $45 restocking fee (nobody else does this), their return period is only 14 days (the others are 30), and they offer zero customer service support.  Google says their out to change the phone industry.  Nice work so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s right.  Google&#8217;s &#8220;ETF&#8221; is not for the full length of the term.  It works the same way at any big T-Mobile dealer (Wirefly and most of the others are 180 days).  Not so big a deal.  What IS a big deal is that they tack on a $45 restocking fee (nobody else does this), their return period is only 14 days (the others are 30), and they offer zero customer service support.  Google says their out to change the phone industry.  Nice work so far.</p>
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		<title>By: Wael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 06:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So it&#039;s only 4 months?  But the Tmobile part os 2 years right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So it&#8217;s only 4 months?  But the Tmobile part os 2 years right?</p>
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		<title>By: ItsMichaelNotMike</title>
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		<dc:creator>ItsMichaelNotMike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 02:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another point, while we all look at this from our personal perspective, e.g., &quot;I want to return MY phone&quot; Google, or any company, has to look at it from the thousands.

Imagine you are selling these things.  There&#039;s all kinds of hassles and perils.

There&#039;s people who damaged the phone, but they hide the fact and try to return it within the two weeks or by making a warranty claim.

There&#039;s people who want to return it with no consequences to them, meaning no cost.  Why should that be the way things work?  Why should the company bear the cost of handling the return, including paying salary and benefits for 10 to 20 employees to handle returns and warranty claims.

Why should the company have to eat the &quot;damage&quot; because under the law a company cannot sell a returned phone as new, it has to call it a refurb or it can only be used to replace a warranty claim phone.  

Why should the company eat all those costs (&quot;damages&quot;), especially when one is simply changing his or her mind.

Also, while we all like to focus on our own situation, assume Google gets 5000 returns from people exercising his or her two-week return privilege, and an additional 2000 from people in California returning phones within 30 days.  I think those numbers are really low.  In any event, that&#039;s 7,000 phones.

7,000 x $530 = $3.7 million in returns.  I think a company is entitled to take steps to lessen the impact of that number, including restocking fees and or imposition of an ETF.

Lastly, if a company could not take steps to defray the impact costs from returned items, Google would do what any company would reasonably do, pass on the cost to us, specifically by increasing the retail price of the N1 to absorb the cost of returns to the company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another point, while we all look at this from our personal perspective, e.g., &#8220;I want to return MY phone&#8221; Google, or any company, has to look at it from the thousands.</p>
<p>Imagine you are selling these things.  There&#8217;s all kinds of hassles and perils.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s people who damaged the phone, but they hide the fact and try to return it within the two weeks or by making a warranty claim.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s people who want to return it with no consequences to them, meaning no cost.  Why should that be the way things work?  Why should the company bear the cost of handling the return, including paying salary and benefits for 10 to 20 employees to handle returns and warranty claims.</p>
<p>Why should the company have to eat the &#8220;damage&#8221; because under the law a company cannot sell a returned phone as new, it has to call it a refurb or it can only be used to replace a warranty claim phone.  </p>
<p>Why should the company eat all those costs (&#8220;damages&#8221;), especially when one is simply changing his or her mind.</p>
<p>Also, while we all like to focus on our own situation, assume Google gets 5000 returns from people exercising his or her two-week return privilege, and an additional 2000 from people in California returning phones within 30 days.  I think those numbers are really low.  In any event, that&#8217;s 7,000 phones.</p>
<p>7,000 x $530 = $3.7 million in returns.  I think a company is entitled to take steps to lessen the impact of that number, including restocking fees and or imposition of an ETF.</p>
<p>Lastly, if a company could not take steps to defray the impact costs from returned items, Google would do what any company would reasonably do, pass on the cost to us, specifically by increasing the retail price of the N1 to absorb the cost of returns to the company.</p>
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		<title>By: Bigg</title>
		<link>http://www.tmonews.com/2010/01/350-etf-on-nexus-one/comment-page-1/#comment-42355</link>
		<dc:creator>Bigg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 02:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man this is nothing new, why is everyone getting mad for? It&#039;s just like you go to a 3rd party dealer like lets talk or something to get a phone. Lets say free touch pro 2 with lets talk, if you cancel within 120 days, you have to pay them a certain fee plus 200 for cancelling your tmobile contract. Nothing diff here, google being a 3rd dealer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man this is nothing new, why is everyone getting mad for? It&#8217;s just like you go to a 3rd party dealer like lets talk or something to get a phone. Lets say free touch pro 2 with lets talk, if you cancel within 120 days, you have to pay them a certain fee plus 200 for cancelling your tmobile contract. Nothing diff here, google being a 3rd dealer.</p>
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		<title>By: Wilma Flintstone</title>
		<link>http://www.tmonews.com/2010/01/350-etf-on-nexus-one/comment-page-1/#comment-42330</link>
		<dc:creator>Wilma Flintstone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 01:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, the real google was there all along, it&#039;s just that people are finally starting to see how screwed they got if they don&#039;t like the Nexus One after buying it.  I put this news in a thread on this site a while back, I&#039;m not sure how many people saw it though.  I&#039;m glad tmonews finally brought this to everyone&#039;s attention.  I knew something was wrong back when Google was being secretive about this device.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, the real google was there all along, it&#8217;s just that people are finally starting to see how screwed they got if they don&#8217;t like the Nexus One after buying it.  I put this news in a thread on this site a while back, I&#8217;m not sure how many people saw it though.  I&#8217;m glad tmonews finally brought this to everyone&#8217;s attention.  I knew something was wrong back when Google was being secretive about this device.</p>
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		<title>By: chaoscentral</title>
		<link>http://www.tmonews.com/2010/01/350-etf-on-nexus-one/comment-page-1/#comment-42305</link>
		<dc:creator>chaoscentral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 00:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey fanboy! guess what this fee is for the scalpers who buy phones at the subsidized price then sell them on ebay for about $600, if the phone is returned to Google within 14 days of cancellation there is no $350 charge. It&#039;s the same EXACT policy on Amazon.com as someone else already pointed out. So please stop being an immature fanboy and get your damn facts straight before trying to poke fun. Makes you seem a bit less childish. 

Thanks :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey fanboy! guess what this fee is for the scalpers who buy phones at the subsidized price then sell them on ebay for about $600, if the phone is returned to Google within 14 days of cancellation there is no $350 charge. It&#8217;s the same EXACT policy on Amazon.com as someone else already pointed out. So please stop being an immature fanboy and get your damn facts straight before trying to poke fun. Makes you seem a bit less childish. </p>
<p>Thanks :)</p>
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		<title>By: eYe</title>
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		<dc:creator>eYe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 00:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s so hard to understand?  Google sells this phone for $530, end of story.  T-mobile will not pay Google subsidy unless you stay with T-mobile for 4 months so it&#039;s only fair that Google reclaims that money from you. It&#039;s not ETF, it&#039;s the difference between what you paid for the phone and what the price of the phone is. Google is being upfront about it, it&#039;s say&#039;s right in their &quot;Terms of Sale&quot; which everyone who buys a phone has to agree with.  If one does not read what they agree to - it&#039;s their problem.  This is not even worth a post on a blog, yet everyone is talks about it like it&#039;s fresh news.  Every retailer has that kind of policy in place, Amazon, BestBuy, Wirefly, you name it.  Yet, when Google announces same terms of sale - they are evil all of the sudden.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s so hard to understand?  Google sells this phone for $530, end of story.  T-mobile will not pay Google subsidy unless you stay with T-mobile for 4 months so it&#8217;s only fair that Google reclaims that money from you. It&#8217;s not ETF, it&#8217;s the difference between what you paid for the phone and what the price of the phone is. Google is being upfront about it, it&#8217;s say&#8217;s right in their &#8220;Terms of Sale&#8221; which everyone who buys a phone has to agree with.  If one does not read what they agree to &#8211; it&#8217;s their problem.  This is not even worth a post on a blog, yet everyone is talks about it like it&#8217;s fresh news.  Every retailer has that kind of policy in place, Amazon, BestBuy, Wirefly, you name it.  Yet, when Google announces same terms of sale &#8211; they are evil all of the sudden.</p>
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		<title>By: chaoscentral</title>
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		<dc:creator>chaoscentral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 00:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is everyone making such a big freaking deal out of this? When you buy the phone you have to click a box to agree to the Terms of Sale, and if you read through it guess what it&#039;s there... Also you can avoid this &quot;ETF&quot; which is called an Equipment Recovery Fee by returning the phone. This is guaranteeing that Google is getting the full price for their phone so people can&#039;t buy them at the $179 and scalp them on ebay for $600+... If you send the phone back within 14 days of cancellation or data plan removal you will NOT be hit with this fee, end of story and please stop making such a big deal out of it, it&#039;s not that big a deal honestly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is everyone making such a big freaking deal out of this? When you buy the phone you have to click a box to agree to the Terms of Sale, and if you read through it guess what it&#8217;s there&#8230; Also you can avoid this &#8220;ETF&#8221; which is called an Equipment Recovery Fee by returning the phone. This is guaranteeing that Google is getting the full price for their phone so people can&#8217;t buy them at the $179 and scalp them on ebay for $600+&#8230; If you send the phone back within 14 days of cancellation or data plan removal you will NOT be hit with this fee, end of story and please stop making such a big deal out of it, it&#8217;s not that big a deal honestly.</p>
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