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		<title>By: Bill Berry</title>
		<link>http://www.tmonews.com/2009/11/t-mobile-complete-goes-live/comment-page-1/#comment-56372</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Berry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 23:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m inclined to agree with a few neasayers; T-Mobile Complete is what Flex was to Smart Access Accounts; rebranded.  I keep waiting for someone to explain to me how this is any different than Even More Plus with the lone exception of data plans.  That said, I&#039;m still waiting for someone to explain to me how my T-Mobile Web plan is not a data plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m inclined to agree with a few neasayers; T-Mobile Complete is what Flex was to Smart Access Accounts; rebranded.  I keep waiting for someone to explain to me how this is any different than Even More Plus with the lone exception of data plans.  That said, I&#8217;m still waiting for someone to explain to me how my T-Mobile Web plan is not a data plan.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan</title>
		<link>http://www.tmonews.com/2009/11/t-mobile-complete-goes-live/comment-page-1/#comment-31444</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 03:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone has not been paying attention very long or has selective memory (rushmore). Look at the demos of flash on android that adobe has shown off in the last year, they have almost all been running on a G1. 

The Droid is a great phone that will be outdated by first quarter of 2010. Accept it tech advances fast. New phones such as the Sony x10 and the HTC Dragon are expected to launch then both running real 1Ghz processors.  Enjoy you droid while it is still the shiniest thing on the block.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone has not been paying attention very long or has selective memory (rushmore). Look at the demos of flash on android that adobe has shown off in the last year, they have almost all been running on a G1. </p>
<p>The Droid is a great phone that will be outdated by first quarter of 2010. Accept it tech advances fast. New phones such as the Sony x10 and the HTC Dragon are expected to launch then both running real 1Ghz processors.  Enjoy you droid while it is still the shiniest thing on the block.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert_x24x</title>
		<link>http://www.tmonews.com/2009/11/t-mobile-complete-goes-live/comment-page-1/#comment-31242</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert_x24x</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 04:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The plans might be cheaper, yes. I&#039;ll admit I missed that my first time around. But my most major point was that the plans only have a few shit phones. So, for most of the people on this website, the device they own and use plays a major part in it. And you&#039;re not going to want to pay for that plan on a phone/device you do not want in the first place. I was with T-Mobile for a while, as well as being a part of this online community, had my fair share of phones and such. The data/call signal constantly went to shit and disappeared in the last few months I had them. Their device selection is a joke(they&#039;re barely above Verizon, though not for long) and when they do get something good, they fuck it up, anyway. Customer service was invredible, though. But I&#039;m lovin&#039; Sprint on all levels I can possibly think of. I went from a G1, $96 phone bill, to the exact same thing with a better device(Pre) on $70. And now I get 20% off my bill because of who I bank with. Am I a Sprint fanboy? I suppose. But no less than you are, in my opinion, an unfortunate T-Mobile fanboy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The plans might be cheaper, yes. I&#8217;ll admit I missed that my first time around. But my most major point was that the plans only have a few shit phones. So, for most of the people on this website, the device they own and use plays a major part in it. And you&#8217;re not going to want to pay for that plan on a phone/device you do not want in the first place. I was with T-Mobile for a while, as well as being a part of this online community, had my fair share of phones and such. The data/call signal constantly went to shit and disappeared in the last few months I had them. Their device selection is a joke(they&#8217;re barely above Verizon, though not for long) and when they do get something good, they fuck it up, anyway. Customer service was invredible, though. But I&#8217;m lovin&#8217; Sprint on all levels I can possibly think of. I went from a G1, $96 phone bill, to the exact same thing with a better device(Pre) on $70. And now I get 20% off my bill because of who I bank with. Am I a Sprint fanboy? I suppose. But no less than you are, in my opinion, an unfortunate T-Mobile fanboy.</p>
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		<title>By: beastly</title>
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		<dc:creator>beastly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep.  With a discounted phone, no activation fee, and a free month of service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep.  With a discounted phone, no activation fee, and a free month of service.</p>
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		<title>By: beastly</title>
		<link>http://www.tmonews.com/2009/11/t-mobile-complete-goes-live/comment-page-1/#comment-30900</link>
		<dc:creator>beastly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 07:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bob,
Agreed about contracts and credit checks.  The only reason cell companies require the credit checks is because of phone subsidies.  Phone companies are effectively loaning customers money to buy cell phones, and sneaking the payments into the cost of the cell plans.  They make sure you continue to make these payments by locking you into a contract, and hedge their bets by instituting ETFs.  If they made these loans without credit checks, they would probably cease to be profitable businesses.

That&#039;s why I went with Metro for so long.  Loved the lack of contracts.  I like doing business with people and businesses that are straightforward.  I paid for a phone, and then paid monthly for service.  I got what I paid for (minimal coverage at home, and none at work, but decent service on campus) and I didn&#039;t complain.  When I got married, the wife didn&#039;t like not being able reach me at work, so she dragged me, kicking and screaming, into a cell phone dealer.  We signed with T-Mobile, got fair coverage for a fair price, and then later signed with Verizon, getting fantastic coverage for a small fortune.  So it goes.

If Even More Plus had been available back then, I would have been with T-Mobile consistently for the past ten years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bob,<br />
Agreed about contracts and credit checks.  The only reason cell companies require the credit checks is because of phone subsidies.  Phone companies are effectively loaning customers money to buy cell phones, and sneaking the payments into the cost of the cell plans.  They make sure you continue to make these payments by locking you into a contract, and hedge their bets by instituting ETFs.  If they made these loans without credit checks, they would probably cease to be profitable businesses.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I went with Metro for so long.  Loved the lack of contracts.  I like doing business with people and businesses that are straightforward.  I paid for a phone, and then paid monthly for service.  I got what I paid for (minimal coverage at home, and none at work, but decent service on campus) and I didn&#8217;t complain.  When I got married, the wife didn&#8217;t like not being able reach me at work, so she dragged me, kicking and screaming, into a cell phone dealer.  We signed with T-Mobile, got fair coverage for a fair price, and then later signed with Verizon, getting fantastic coverage for a small fortune.  So it goes.</p>
<p>If Even More Plus had been available back then, I would have been with T-Mobile consistently for the past ten years.</p>
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		<title>By: doesntmatter</title>
		<link>http://www.tmonews.com/2009/11/t-mobile-complete-goes-live/comment-page-1/#comment-30895</link>
		<dc:creator>doesntmatter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tmobile complete is just flexpay rebranded &amp; bundled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tmobile complete is just flexpay rebranded &amp; bundled.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill48105</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill48105</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah mmaxsooner I don&#039;t see TMo changing to CDMA either but who knows. Usually a merge is more about gaining customers to increase total customer counts than anything &amp; that&#039;s what a TMo/Sprint merger would do but not sure they&#039;d have enough to become #2 or not, I doubt it. I was just pointing out different pros/cons of having people under contract in the event of a merge and the possibility of replacing phones would be a bad thing for them.  I agree on the investor thing except I&#039;d still say having customers tied into contract is worth a lot more than having them all month to month so makes me wonder on logic of pushing no contracts if they really are looking for an investor vs a merger.  But yeah weirder things have happened.  I&#039;d sooner say TMo is trying to make the exclusive &#039;iphone&#039; type deals meaningless by saying &quot;hey bring your favorite phone to us even if we don&#039;t offer it and while you&#039;re at it realize we&#039;re cheaper &amp; have no contracts to tie you down if you&#039;re not happy&quot; but what they fail to realize (or at least didn&#039;t finish the network upgrades before the big push of the new plans) is that TMo&#039;s biggest issue with gaining customers is lack of decent coverage, especially 3G but ANY coverage at all in too many places. Plus the fact that TMo&#039;s 3G runs on oddball bands and if they really wanted true BYOD (Bring Your Own Device) then they&#039;d need for phones offered by other carriers to run on the same bands..  So until all/most cell carriers use the same bands or cell companies offer up TMo bands on all the phones they make (not holding my breath because TMo doens&#039;t have the clout to push that unlike ATT &amp; how many unlocked unbranded phones show up with ATT bands..) then that plan would seem to be a lost cause. Good idea in theory but definitely lacking in practice without some major changes like TMo adding 1000x more coverage than they have now or the cell companies moving to a common technology like LTE, assuming common compatible bands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah mmaxsooner I don&#8217;t see TMo changing to CDMA either but who knows. Usually a merge is more about gaining customers to increase total customer counts than anything &amp; that&#8217;s what a TMo/Sprint merger would do but not sure they&#8217;d have enough to become #2 or not, I doubt it. I was just pointing out different pros/cons of having people under contract in the event of a merge and the possibility of replacing phones would be a bad thing for them.  I agree on the investor thing except I&#8217;d still say having customers tied into contract is worth a lot more than having them all month to month so makes me wonder on logic of pushing no contracts if they really are looking for an investor vs a merger.  But yeah weirder things have happened.  I&#8217;d sooner say TMo is trying to make the exclusive &#8216;iphone&#8217; type deals meaningless by saying &#8220;hey bring your favorite phone to us even if we don&#8217;t offer it and while you&#8217;re at it realize we&#8217;re cheaper &amp; have no contracts to tie you down if you&#8217;re not happy&#8221; but what they fail to realize (or at least didn&#8217;t finish the network upgrades before the big push of the new plans) is that TMo&#8217;s biggest issue with gaining customers is lack of decent coverage, especially 3G but ANY coverage at all in too many places. Plus the fact that TMo&#8217;s 3G runs on oddball bands and if they really wanted true BYOD (Bring Your Own Device) then they&#8217;d need for phones offered by other carriers to run on the same bands..  So until all/most cell carriers use the same bands or cell companies offer up TMo bands on all the phones they make (not holding my breath because TMo doens&#8217;t have the clout to push that unlike ATT &amp; how many unlocked unbranded phones show up with ATT bands..) then that plan would seem to be a lost cause. Good idea in theory but definitely lacking in practice without some major changes like TMo adding 1000x more coverage than they have now or the cell companies moving to a common technology like LTE, assuming common compatible bands.</p>
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		<title>By: MAXIMUS</title>
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		<dc:creator>MAXIMUS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess T-Mobile Complete &#039;completes&#039; their Christmas lineup of handsets and services. Nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess T-Mobile Complete &#8216;completes&#8217; their Christmas lineup of handsets and services. Nice.</p>
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		<title>By: mmaxsooner</title>
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		<dc:creator>mmaxsooner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think that TMOB is looking to go cdma they are a gsm wherever dt is at. I think they are more fishing for an investor more than a buyout. No one makes since but att ow. They already have coverage in metro  pcs areas so I don&#039;t think buying them and converting from cdma to gsm would be much help maybe a tower here and there. But we never no the inner working of a company let alone dotsons thoughts on the issue</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that TMOB is looking to go cdma they are a gsm wherever dt is at. I think they are more fishing for an investor more than a buyout. No one makes since but att ow. They already have coverage in metro  pcs areas so I don&#8217;t think buying them and converting from cdma to gsm would be much help maybe a tower here and there. But we never no the inner working of a company let alone dotsons thoughts on the issue</p>
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		<title>By: Oakley44</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oakley44</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So...could you maybe update the updates at some point?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So&#8230;could you maybe update the updates at some point?</p>
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