Project Dark: Old vs New [Comparison Charts!]

In the past few days, gadget, phone sites and forums have blown up with news about T-Mobile’s new “game changing” Project Dark plans. While we’ve seen comparisons of the new unlimited plans to the competition and all non-unlimited plans appearing to beat the competition in minutes and/or price, has T-Mobile beaten themselves up a little too much on the lower end? Some say yes, some say no. To help out, we’ve created a small chart (look familiar?) to help compare T-Mobile’s old plans versus their new plans, the non-unlimited variety of course. To make things fair, the Even More Plus plans have not been used in the comparison (as they do not have any phone subsidies or contracts) but subtract $10 from the Even More prices and you’ve got your price anyway.

This chart doesn’t cover absolutely every possible combo of plans and add-ons but should give a brief outline to look at for pricing below unlimited… therefore, your mileage may vary. Adjust accordingly. Individual 1000 at the promotional price has been included as that was a very popular promotion that ran three summers in a row. Add $10 if you want to compare with the old standard 1000 minute rate.

For those who do not remember or never had it, the 1000 minute promotion for $39.99 included unlimited nights and weekends. It is completely different than anything that was normally listed on the website. So yes, it compares :)

Important Note on Even More Plus. No contracts required on these plans. Phones must be purchased at full retail price but the payments can be split up over 20 months with no interest. If you decide to leave T-Mobile while on one of these plans, remaining balance for the phone must be paid in full but no ETF exists since you wouldn’t be on contract. Exception: People switching from old plans to EM+ plans still have to remain on the contract they previously agreed to. There is a $35 activation fee to switch from an old plan or Even More plan to Even More Plus.

Old vs New

Remember, if you’re on one of the plan combos where you’re saving money now versus the new plans, you do not have to switch and can stay on your current plan as long as you’d like. A few reps have stated to a person in the comments of this article that add-ons such as data will be available to old plans for as long as you have them. Whether this is true or the reps were confused/misinformed (also understandable) we do not yet know, only time will tell.

More on unlimited plans and myFaves after the break (including a myFaves comparison chart)…

With Project Dark, T-Mobile appears to have really gotten aggressive with unlimited plans, offering multiple price points to choose from and in most cases besting the competition. The calling circles of AT&T and Verizon, starting at $59.99 on both carriers, become things of the past as T-Mobile begins their unlimited plans at the same $59.99. Why pick 5 most called numbers to get your unlimited groove on if you can just pick, umm, every number in the country? Certainly, competition with the top two cellphone providers in the country has brought T-Mobile to the top when it comes to the most minutes for the money… in a way.

If information received/seen so far is correct, myFaves has been eliminated from the new plans. Do you enjoy paying between $39.99 and $49.99 for your base voice plan  and getting unlimited minutes to your 5 most called people? After all… “T-Mobile research found that 65% of calls on wireless  sets go to five people.” Well, say goodbye to paying anything less than $59.99 if you actually need all of those minutes off-network (free mobile-to-mobile in all of the new plans helps if your friends are all on T-Mobile).

Old vs New w/ myFaves

myFaves launched in October 2006 and was quickly followed in 2007 with a statement by David Beigie, a T-Mobile USA spokesman, “It’s had the fastest adoption rate of any service we’ve offered… And it increases calling in general.” Starting at a low, low price point of $39.99, myFaves drew lots of customers to T-Mobile and added to their value reputation. However, with the apparent removal of myFaves, what will the response be now to those who became reliant on the service, or those who knew there would always be a carrier that provided unlimited calls to 5 people for $39.99 or $49.99? Has T-Mobile shot itself in the foot?

Only time will tell for most. If you’re on a low price myFaves plan now though (utilizing those unlimited minutes well) and don’t feel like paying more… hold on to that plan. Until (if?) T-Mobile brings back the service, you’re not going to want to leave that behind.

*Family plan chart may be added at a future date. Until we sort out how pricing works a little better on it :)

**The opinions in this post are based on knowledge of Project Dark at the time of publication and belong solely to the author (Mystictrust). Charts also created by Mystictrust.

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  • fastball5050

    While this is a great report to get the mind thinking, it really leaves out the whole change T-Mobile is going for. Not including the “Even More Plus” plans in this blog and in the comparison chart doesn’t make sense to me.

    I have seen a few charts around the web including what it would be with the “Even More” plan and a subsidized phone compared to an “Even More Plus” plan with full priced phone and each time, the “Even More Plus” plus would save the customer more over a 2 year time frame. So to not include this in the chart of comparisons really makes it anticlimactic.

    While T-mobile is changing it’s whole structure, T-mobile’s big push is not the “Even More” plan, but rather the no contract, 20 EIP, better priced “Even More Plus” plans.

  • JDean86

    When it comes time to upgrade my phone in Feb after my contract expires, will Tmo make me give up my myfave plan to be able to get my earned upgrade after 2 years? or do customers like me get force fucked out of our old plan/deserved rebates eventually.

  • Aston

    i hope they dont fuck with my unlimited everything for 69.99. [talk+text+web] thats one advantage to being a sidekick customer, even if you lose your data every onces in a while, lol.

  • Mystictrust

    @fastball5050

    Sorry about that… I was just comparing apples-to-apples. I’ve edited the post and added a little disclaimer about EM+ above the image.

    @JDean86

    You can stay on your plan as long as you want. If you do not have data now, and you buy a smartphone in the future that requires data, I am not sure what they would do though if they can’t add data to your current myfaves plan.

  • JDean86

    I have unlim shadow data and text for $20. In my dreams that wouldn’t change with my next phone. Which most likely will be Android.

  • http://www.tmonews.com/2009/10/project-dark-pricing/ Benintown

    ” Keep in mind, though, that your plan+add-on combination will likely be locked in as soon as these new rates go live – don’t anticipate being able to add and remove data as you please without switching to one of the new rate plans.”

    I just got off the phone with a rep and this is not true. I have 49.99 loyalty plan with no data plan and I will be able to keep the 49.99 plan and add the existing data plan (24.99 for android phones).

  • chachimi

    As somebody said, this is this project should be named “Fail” and “Even More Fail.” I don’t see how anybody would want to switch to T-Mobile for this “Project.”

  • Fred

    why would you set up a comparison based on a promotional plan that isn’t even offered anymore?

  • Ritchie

    Does anyone know why the fudge is TMobile down for upgrading phones only? Im trying to upgrade before the new plans are in effect because im trying to keep my plan and not buy into the new hype. I can order accessories and download wallpapers etc but when it comes to the upgrade it says a high call volume. How is it a high call volume im doing it thru the internet. I think TMo doesnt want anyone to upgrade and want cust. to change to the new plans. PS i can change my plan its available, it just wont let me upgrade any of my three lines, im pissed and freaking out. THis is making me go to sprint again, help. I was going to get the cliq, but since…Sorry—we’re currently experiencing high demand and are unable to process your upgrade online. To complete your upgrade, please call Customer Care free of charge (dial 611 from your T-Mobile phone or call 1-877-453-1304). Im not buying sh*t from them anymore, on any of my 3 lines and when my contract is up im going back to Sprint

  • jenny

    My friend works for tmobile, when you want to change your plan to add, or upgrade a new phone you will be required to get a new plan. This is a way they can phase out the old more costly plans ( IE: loyalty plans)

  • Mystictrust

    @Benintown

    “I just got off the phone with a rep and this is not true. I have 49.99 loyalty plan with no data plan and I will be able to keep the 49.99 plan and add the existing data plan (24.99 for android phones).”

    Was this confirmed for the future as well, say, in a month or two? I just couldn’t imagine the current add-ons we have sticking around at all since there’s no need for them with new plans, and they’ll want to phase out the old plans anyway

  • watbetch

    Why are you using the 1000 promo price. You can’t get that right now. It’s regularly 49.99. I have the 39.99 1000 minutes and that’s all it is – 1000 minutes. So this is a major savings for me.

  • AJ

    Tmobile has got it all wrong.. Why they wanted to beat ATT,VERIZON,SPRINT prices. There plans were the best compared to them.
    I am a Cricket , Tmobile , Boost , Pageplus(vz) sales rep and i think in the beginning Tmobile is gonna do good but in long term there plans wont help them.
    Just imagine Cricket and Metro going nationwide unlimited with no roaming charges..
    My cricket rep told me than cricket is cooking sumthing real nice with Metro.

  • Mystictrust

    @watbetch

    A lot of people have jumped on that promo price. I realize you can’t get it right now, but since so many people did switch to it (they offered it at least two summers in a row, if not three) I thought I’d add it. However, “mileage may vary” so… you know… add $10 and you’re good.

    I’m just trying to compare the plans I believe were most popular, and a lot of people jumped on the 1k deal. there were so many people complaining about how these new deals were so horrible, so I picked a couple popular ones and set out to see which parts were horrible and which were great.

  • JK

    So TMO is trying to force people who use a smartphone without data must have it now or in the future? or when the new rate plan goes live?

  • watbetch

    okz.

    I’m a Flexpay monthly customer (iPhone – no need for contract) and that’s why these plans are good for me. The current pricing would set me at $84.99 for the same features.

  • The Observer

    its a shame you didnt compare the myfaves plans

  • NiiDiddy

    @David – Do you have a chart for family plans?? Thanks.

  • RWWackostu

    Anyone been able to get anything out of tmobile about the new plans yet?

  • The Observer

    if tmobile brought back the myfaves 5 feature for the 500 min plan, i would jump on that quick

  • http://www.tmonews.com/2009/10/project-dark-pricing/ Benintown

    @Mystictrust I called them 4 times and went to a local tmo store and asked the same question over and over. I said so you are guaranteeing me that on Nov 18th when the Behold II comes out I can buy that phone with the subsidy I am due to receive on Nov 2nd (thats when my 22 months are up on my current phone), keep my 49.99 unlimited mins, keep my $4.99 400 texts, and add the $24.99 unlimited web plan that is offered now,and not have to do anything with these new plans, and I will be able to stay locked into my current plan for as long as I am with Tmo? The person at the store said yes, all 4 reps said yes, the last rep (who I called just a few hours ago) put me on hold and double checked with his manager and said yes.

    I will be paying $79.97 for unlimited mins, 400 texts (enough for me), and unlimited web. I know this is pretty much the same as the new unlimited talk, text and web at 79.99 with no contract. The reason why this is IMPORTANT is because the 79.99 NO CONTRACT could cost $89 next year, $110 5 years from now or who knows, and I will be locked into my price.

    I was all ready to buy any smartphone today just so I could add the $24.99 data plan so I would be grandfathered in. But that is not necessary. I have been guaranteed that as long as you have a plan now, all of the add ons that are available now will still be available to those existing customers. For how long?? I don’t know. But from all of the nervous checking and rechecking I have done I am confident that they are very mindful of NOT HOSING their existing customers. I was told no one will be forced onto a new plan if they don’t want a new plan.

  • grumpyman

    bah.. no iphone.. no win.. android is ok but this is not what I call “game changing”

  • http://mobilenewsnow.net josh

    The mytmobile.com website is down…

  • AJ

    IF U USE THE IPHONE , U CAN ALSO GO FOR $19.99 DATA AND TXT PLAN FOR SMALLER PHONES LIKE T219. IT CAN SAVE U $15 OVER $34.99 PLAN

  • Sun

    that whole even more plus plan is BS, if you ever leave the so called no contract term, you still pay the remaining balance of the phones retail value, duh

  • Blaine

    From what I can see you can get unlimited talk+text+data on the EMP plan for $69.99 if you get the $59.99 unlimited talk+text plan, and just get the data addon for $10. I currently pay $66.28 for 300 anytime minutes, 400 text messages, and unlimited data. I will be more than happy to shell out a few extra dollas to get everything completely unlimited… Hell I might even get the Touch Pro 2 using the EIP if they will let me, and just get the EMP unlimited talk+text+web plan. By the way… anybdoy own the Touch Pro 2? Is it a phone worth purchasing?

  • watbetch

    If you get a TP2 you will have to pay the $20 (EM+) on top of Talk+Text for smartphone data

  • Hurlamania

    I haven’t seen any info on the nights time so I assume it is still at 9pm. I hope the moved it to 7pm (or 6pm). The talked about 7pm nights for years and prepay gets it That would seal the deal as the best packages by adding early nights. I have 7pm nights now if i got T-Mo’s 9pm I loose 2400 minutes a month whereas a 750 family plan would do with 7pm nights I would be forced to do an unlimited plan to make up for it, I only pay $69.70 with tax for 1050 min and 7pm nights and incoming text.

    Also I know before they had the option for free fav5′s and the loyalty plans are the any secret options for these new plans? like 7pm nights or free text or web or discounted rates?
    Also what about military and police discounts do they still apply and how have they changed?

  • Hurlamania

    Oh btw are you still required to get a data plan with a mytouch on a even more plus plan?

  • GregP

    The Promotional 1000 minutes for $39.99 can’t be used as a comparison since it doesn’t include nights or weekends.

  • sorandkairi

    It does

  • John

    You are not required to get the data plan with even more plus. You won’t be forced to change plans on upgrades. You will be able to add on additional services with any old plan. The “old plans” are not leaving, they just won’t be offered.

    The big 4 have been hurt by the lower tiered carriers. This will change the industry as we know it.

  • Blaine

    I am aware that I would have to pay an extra $20 a month. I don’t care about that. I just want to know if the phone is worth purchasing, and the promotional 1000 minutes for $39.99 does not include nights and weekends.

  • Blaine

    I just checked the T-Mobile website. The Individual 1000 Plus plan for $49.99 includes nights and weekends.

  • ultravision

    they are updating the website as we speak i can confirm this. be prepared for the offficial prices!!! if u go to the website right now and try and shop the plans it says the page does not exist. they are updating the website be PREPARED!!!

  • ultravision

    From the Tmo site “Even More PlusSM Plans feature bundled messaging and Web services, which means that you pick your services according to the plan you select. So, for example, you might choose an Even More Plus Talk + Text plan or an Even More Plus Talk + Text + Web plan.

    With Even MoreSM Plans you purchase your services a la carte. First you choose a plan with the number of Whenever Minutes® you want, then you add the services you want.”

  • http://www.safewatchinc.com TruthBeTold

    If you like your current plan, keep it for the life of your account. Change is 100% Optional. You will only have to migrate to EvenMore or EvenMore Plus plans if you desire to leave your current rate plan. T-Mobile has the right fit for you and your family if you honest receive the help offered. Your account will be carefully audited and best Rate Plan to save you and your loved ones money will be suggested. Take care adn don’t listen to the Whiners, they can never be satisfied regardless to who provides them cellular service! I’m going EVENMORE PLUS once my contract expires in 2 months. Good luck with whatever you choose. The choice is yours nothing is forced upon you.

  • moblow55

    they r out. check the website.

  • ultravision

    the website is wrong lol it says 149.99 for the Evenmore PLUS unilimted talk for families and 199.99 for the all u can eat on the em+ for families. bug in the system

  • Marco

    LOL..yeah! Real Game changer!
    This won’t effect the big three phone companies they are only going after the lower end ‘ghetto’ phone companies with the buy your own phone plan..OMG..lol.

    Is that who T-mobile really wants to compete against? What they want to be known as? lol…

    Wait two months and watch how NO ONE leaves AT&T, Sprint or Verizon.

  • Jeff

    Game changing??? These plans suck. I pay about $126 now with my faves and 400 texts a piece right now. I don’t need unlt texts and then to loose the my faves with only 750 shared minutes. This is a joke. I’m going to Verizon as soon as the androids roll out. If I’m going to pay a ton, I might as well get service.

  • GregP

    @Jeff – you say “a piece” but how many lines is this? Which myFaves plan do you have? Have you compared prices for Verizon yet? Do you realize that to get the equivalent to myFaves, you would have to be in a higher rate plan? Do you realize that their intro offer on text is <300 messages? Do you realize that you are talking to T-Mobile fans who would tar and feather you for your statement? Do you realize that you blindly criticized something without offering substantial backing? Do you realize that I have said "do you realize" 5 times now… well, technically 6.

  • Mystictrust

    @ GregP and Blaine

    The *promotional* 1000 minutes for $39.99 *does* include nights and weekends. The promotional plan was only offered during the summers for the past few years and could NOT be found on the website at any other time. It is NOT the same thing as the Individual 1000 PLUS on the website with no nights and weekends.

    I also know more about it than just knowing it came out in the summers… I have that plan and got it this summer, and I know someone else with it who got it last summer.

  • Hurlamania

    I know you don’t have to get data on even more plus Thats why I specifically ask if you had to get a data plan on even more plus with a my touch as required with the old plans if you got a smartphone

  • GregP

    @Mystictrust – fair enough. However, wouldn’t it be more accurate to use a rate plan that is constant versus one that is promotional in nature?

    @Hurrlamania – why on Earth would anyone get a myTouch and not put data on it? It also can’t be “officially” set up without data anyway as the very first step is to login to gmail.

  • Mystictrust

    @GregP

    I mentioned that in the post somewhere (lol, yes I realize I was a little long winded, but it’s there above the first image). Okay, here it is:

    “This chart doesn’t cover absolutely every possible combo of plans and add-ons but should give a brief outline to look at for pricing below unlimited… therefore, your mileage may vary. Adjust accordingly. Individual 1000 at the promotional price has been included as that was a very popular promotion that ran three summers in a row. Add $10 if you want to compare with the old standard 1000 minute rate.” – basically, it was popular and a lot of people still have that plan

    Obviously, the new plans are better in most cases if not counting their popular promotional plan. But, even when adding $10 to the promotional price, the old plan for 1000 min AND the old plan for 600 minutes are still cheaper. Add M2M though and the new plans have got em beat.

  • Hurlamania

    Because I don’t need the data plan I can get by with the wifi only. The point of the data plan was a added subsidy, If the want to offer cheap plans then they need to stop requiring a data plan. To answer my question yes they require a data plan, the G1 only used to require a text plan it also now requires data plan guess this isn’t that game changing after all. I guess I have no reason to leave AT&T now if I can’t get a my touch without data, and let me be happy with the wifi use. Thanks T-mobile you managed to loose about 5 new customers today alone. I hear people complain about the forcing of data plans all the time I thought T-mobile would listen especially since you pay full price for a phone now.

  • Mystictrust

    @Hurlamania

    I agree that data plan requirement is pretty lame. Just like raising their txt messaging prices when their competitors did slowly over time, they now require data on smartphones, just like their competitors (everyone else).

    I think it should be a “strong push” rather than an actual requirement. I understand the need to pay for the network, but for people who only use their data plan for things like weather updates on homescreen and maybe email and don’t find such things necessary – such as myself – it’s pointless.

    To me data is not even close to a necessity on a phone, I very rarely browse the net I’d rather find a computer, I have GPS in my car so don’t need google maps, weather updates can be obtained my txting GOOGL, etc. Oh well, if I’m forced to use it, I might as well try and use it more often.

  • Andy

    To Hurlamania: You do not need to get data on a EMP plan. If you pick a phone that needs it to function….thats on you.

  • watbetch

    You’re not required to have data on an unsubsidized device.