Project Dark, Again

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Sunday is a big day in T-Mobileland, and while the company is trying to keep things from leaking, that is very hard to do in today’s world.  What we have here is further, clearer and more detailed confirmation of the rate plans accompanying Project Dark.  As it is, though, we are considering these rumors, so have your daily dose of salt.  Of course, maybe T-Mobile is trying to keep people in the dark by printing out false information sheets (we have our doubts that any company would do this, but what a genius move to keep people in the dark (if that is what they are trying to do)).  Either way, head on past the break for a full, and much easier to read, peak at the rate plans (including a family plan breakdown).  Leave your thoughts in the comments!

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  • Tyler

    Once again, failure

  • mlo

    ay dios mio

  • MishkaGreen

    I still don’t understand why I’m going to be punished for being a loyal customer. I know it has to deal with the subsidized phone costs and junk but even still. :-/

  • Pedro

    Ok, I understand the individual plans better now. Do we have to switch to these when they’re announced will we have to wait until our contracts expire?

  • Cerberus

    Well, talked to a T-Mo supervisor for almost 45 friggin minutes just because I wanted to change my plan. According to her, all of these leaks are not close to what is still to come and that is all she can tell me. So here is to hoping that she is not BS’ing me and there really is more to this.

  • faves

    I just don’t get this. As a current t-mobile sub, on a 1000 shared/myfaves family plan that costs 59$ a month, i can’t see anything that is better or even matches what i currently have.
    Anyone?

  • @cerberus I’d call back and change ur plan just in case if you really need something then if there are better prices then you can always change again.

  • rossi

    So I currently use ~600 whenever minutes and 3k+ myfaves minutes on 5 lines with unlimited texting. I currently pay ~$150 including taxes and fees. To even cover my minutes usage I am looking at $120+$120. Is it confirmed that myfaves plans will no longer be offered? If so, I’m sorry but these plans are atrocious.

  • rossi

    BTW I realize my current plan will be grandfathered… but WHAT ABOUT NEW CUSTOMERS!!

  • march7th

    Project FAIL

  • changez4me79

    I hope whoever leaked this is held accountable and possibly terminated. This is supposed to be confidential information.

  • OchoCinco

    Project terrible, I was excited about coming back to T-mobile, but this is really nothing good, especially when 1.) T-mobile 3G doesn’t work with an Iphone 2.) for roughly 10 dollars more you get better coverage with Verizon or even At&t.

  • Van Gok

    i, gote those booklets today, and as i understand the no more old plans as “myfaves” or any other. So the t-mobile came up with the new ones!!! i think the old customers still gonna have whenever they have now! but new customers will be benefit much more!

  • watbetch

    So –

    Individual Even More

    500 minutes – $39.99
    500 minutes & Text – $49.99
    500 minutes & Other Phone data – $49.99
    500 minutes & Smart Phone data – $59.99
    500 minutes & Text & Other Phone Data – $59.99
    500 minutes & Text & Smart Phone Data – $79.99

    1000 minutes – $39.99
    1000 minutes & Text – $49.99
    1000 minutes & Other Phone data – $49.99
    1000 minutes & Smart Phone data – $69.99
    1000 minutes & Text & Other Phone Data – $69.99
    1000 minutes & Text & Smart Phone Data – $89.99

    Unlimited Talk – $59.99
    Unlimited Talk & Text – $69.99
    Unlimited Talk & Other Phone Data – $69.99
    Unlimited Talk & Smart Phone Data – $89.99
    Unlimited Talk & Text & Other Phone data $79.99
    Unlimited Talk & Text & Smart Phone data $99.99

    Individual Even More Plus

    500 minutes – $29.99
    500 minutes & Text – $39.99
    500 minutes & Other Phone data – $39.99
    500 minutes & Smart Phone data – $54.99
    500 minutes & Text & Other Phone Data – $49.99
    500 minutes & Text & Smart Phone Data – $69.99

    1000 minutes – $39.99
    1000 minutes & Text – $49.99
    1000 minutes & Other Phone data – $49.99
    1000 minutes & Smart Phone data – $64.99
    1000 minutes & Text & Other Phone Data – $59.99
    1000 minutes & Text & Smart Phone Data – $69.99

    Unlimited Talk – $49.99
    Unlimited Talk & Text – $59.99
    Unlimited Talk & Other Phone Data – $59.99
    Unlimited Talk & Smart Phone Data – $74.99
    Unlimited Talk & Text & Other Phone data $69.99
    Unlimited Talk & Text & Smart Phone data $79.99

    — Right? Makes things a bit more clarified for people not sporting Smartphones.

  • Chuong

    Does the AAL price for talk/txt/web family plans include web usage so we don’t have to add data add-on for lines 3-5?

  • rossi

    @changez4me79

    I hope you’re terminated for collaborating with this garbage. hahaha, seriously though… I want one week of my life back in return for your secrecy. Dissappointing is an understatement.

  • rossi

    Was project dark codename for “for family users who use more than 1500 minutes let’s get rid of myfaves so they have to go unlimited and double their costs”

    That’ll attract new customers. I better make an appointment for sunday morning at my local tmo store…

  • dom

    i think id be losing out…i joined about 3 months ago and i currently have 300mins with unlim myfavs and unlimited text n data for about 70 a month about 100 including taxes….so im going to be actually spending more once they phaze out the myfavs plan…

  • The Observer

    im still stayin with my old pain. tmobile is retarded for this. doubt this plan would save 95% of current customers any money

  • Mega G

    You guys KNOW it’s a firing offense to open that collateral before Sunday.. right??

    And if you DO get caught (and the chances are good) you would probably be finding yourselves applying for seasonal work at WalMart…

  • Maybe I am wishing for too much, but here’s hoping that all these leaks have been planned, controlled leaks to get us all riled up, only to spring on us the brilliantly cheap plans we heard about a couple weeks ago. *cheers*

  • joel

    Oh yeah, we DEFINITELY don’t want those other providers to know about this. They’re supposed to be shaking in their boots about us really doing something groundbreaking in the industry. When the other providers see this, they’ll realize they have nothing to worry about :/

  • Yanks26+1

    So if I get 3 more people on my existing 2 line family plan, I’m potentially looking at unlimited everything for less than $50 per line ($140+30+30+30/5). To me that’s definitely a game changer. Even after taxes (where I live–NJ) and insurance, it will still be under $60 for each line. On top of that not having a contract is a huge bonus. I hope what we have seen so far is no BS and now all I want to see some documentation of how they plan to have us pay for handsets and what the retail prices will be on some of these new smartphones coming out. Hopefully they keeps thing reasonable in the $350-$450 range.

  • Rossi

    @ mega g…

    Yeah I’m sure they didn’t see the sticker on the package…. Thanks captain obvious

  • steven

    i called tmobile to cancel. or pretend to cancel. i told them i was switching over to sprint because of a 30% discount that i could receive. the CSR told me to wait until next week to make a final decision. i told her i was aware of the leaks and quoted some prices listed. she told me that the new pricing will be nothing like that. O_O

  • OchoCinco

    Steven,

    I wish that was true, but honestly, I don’t see it. I think what we see if what we get here.

  • Rossi

    Steven I hope that’s true I really don’t want to leave tmo! I’ve got 1 year of my contract left and i’ve seriously been thinking of paying the ETF to go to sprint… I’ll hold out a while longer…

  • Moblow

    Theres no way TmoUSA is that smart as to publish fake papers, then on announcement day change everything. They should call it “Project Dark Days to be a Tmo Subscriber”.
    I bet after the announcement, if u want to change something on your plan, they’ll make you change to one of these horrible plans. Since they wont offer the old plans anymore. So upgrade now and keep your good plan before you get the shaft!

  • newspeak

    i mean that strikes me as odd that a rep would say that…if anything it practically guarantees that you will cx when you find out the rep lied to you

    i really want to believe that there is something we are not seeing

    but if this is really whats in store then i am not sure what to think

  • Okay, the 500+web+text will actually end up saving me money. About 15 bucks a month.

    Right now I have 300 minutes, weekends only.

    I should now be able to get 200 minutes more, and free nights, and free mobile to mobile. Not so bad after all.

  • Say-Low

    Isn’t it true that if somehow Tmobile decide to change all their plans we won’t have to pay for the ETF? Or does it only apply when they change something with the plan you currently got?

    I’m thinking about going to Verizon. =/

  • Matthew

    I love T-Mobile. Been with them for 7 years! I dont know what they were thinking when they came up with these lame plans! Guess we better find a comfortable position ’cause we are going to be in 4th place for a long time at this rate, sad to say…

  • control

    again nothing spectacular

  • Matthew

    @say-low
    No that doesnt apply becasue you have the option of keeping your current plan

  • Rob

    What does “200 (Only available with Unlimited Plan)” in the Family Plan additional line mean?

  • Matthew

    @say-low
    No, that doesnt apply here because you can keep your current plan.

  • watbetch

    200 must mean an additional line with only 200 minutes

  • TravMobile

    Looks like rate increases for anyone who intelligently made use of MyFaves. Glad I got grandfathered into my plan for the next year.

  • J

    Its is amazing how much everyone is missing. There is not a single plan in T-Mobiles current set-up that is more advantageous. Unlimited minutes for 79.99 for two lines is fantastic. Everyone is sharing what they have and then comparing to the unlimited talk text and web packages. If your not using a smartphone today then you are comparing pricing incorrectly. myFaves works great for some but would you rather have 600 minutes and myfaves for 49.99 or unlimited.

    The 200 minute idea for family is brilliant. You either add a line to the unlimited plan that gives you unlimited for 30 or you add 200 minutes for only 10. Some people have kids that don’t need unlimited minutes. Add them for cheaper. Wait till its all done and add up your costs today and then do even more plus. It will save you money. For sure. Its substantially cheaper than the other carriers.

  • hi!

    Project Flop!

    I feel like an idiot admitting it now but I was so exited when I first read about Project Flop weeks ago. I was checking this, and other, sites religiously just waiting to read the good news. I felt like my girlfriend might leave me cause I wouldn’t shut up about how awesome this was going to be and how the anticipation was building. Well, I doubt this could be worse. Remember all those literal articles people were writing about a $50 all you can eat plan?? Where the F is that. And read through everyone’s comments. There are well over 300 people very upset over this.

    At least all the idiots who kept posting, “maybe this isn’t it!” or, “maybe these are fake” or better yet, “maybe tmobile is purposely leaking fake info like a movie!!”, can finally shut up and realize how retarded they all sounded. We all (ALL!!!) knew this was true from the first leak and now we have to deal with the consequences of unexciting planes AND crap phones.

    I’ve LOVE to work for AT&T, Verizon, or especially Sprint right now. You know they heard all the rumors too and had to be at least a little frightened/curious. Now that all is the info is out they must be laughing all the way to the bank. TMobile will forever we fourth place and my time with them is extremely limited. Waiting for 100% confirmation of this garbage on the 25th and then it’s sweet phones/coverage here I come!!!

  • Anthony

    I just want T-Mobile to have better phones. I don’t believe I’ll ever leave them because of this but honestly I do get jealous of all the cool phones my friends have with ATT and Verizon. I could care less about Sprint… They have awesome phones with horrible customer service!

  • integlspwr

    wait so if i get a mytouch on sunday it will cost me monthly.

    500 minutes & Text & Smart Phone Data – $79.99
    vs if i got one today it would only be $75 is this right?

  • Pliablemoose

    Plans need to be renamed “FAIL” and “EVEN MORE FAIL”

    I can’t believe the prices.

  • emeryfan1988

    well i went into the store, and from what the manager told me. i his words ” we are going to put metro PCS out of business” so that means unlimited cheap…. but from these pics dont look that cheap at all! idk… i guess we’ll wait till Sunday

  • Okay, so can anyone answer this…will smartphone users be required to add that $25/$30 web option to every plan or will the unlimited talk/text/web work for smartphones (there’s at least one up there that says, “only available on TALK plans”)

    If I’m doing the math right, best case scenario, I’m paying exactly what I pay now, but getting unlimited texts instead of 400. Worst case, I’d end up paying WAY more for exactly what I have now.

    Either way, this is far from game changing. I feel very let down.

  • mario

    wait if you currently have a family plan with tmobile,are you going to be made to change to these new plans?

  • craig

    Can someone tell me do you have to have a web plan for your Smartphone? I have 5 lines on my account and 3 on my lines have Smartphones. so having unlimited everything for 139 that’s for 2 lines?

  • Stan

    There must be more to it than this for no better reason that that there is nothing in these stated plans that could rightly be called a “Cricket killer” plan. When leakers spoke of T-mobile wanting to respond to the low-cost providers (Cricket, Straight Talk), it made so much intuitive sense from a business perspective to proactively recapture the budget position before it was lost forever, and to hobble the upstarts and make it difficult for them to gain a foothold in the market and become profitable.

    But there is no Cricket Killer in these stated plans. No truly budget-conscious user would select these plans over Cricket or Straight Talk. At best, these plans are a marketing ploy geared to getting Verizon/ATT users to give T-mobile a second look; there is no game-changer here.

    If anything, I’d imagine the switch will alienate current T-mobile subscribers who will resent having to give up current plans (which are grandfathered) and adopt more expensive plans, in order to make small changes (e.g. to add text or data).

  • sprinter

    There was an article on the web about how the stock of all the prepaid guys (Leap, Metro PCS) jumped on the leaks. It is obvious that T Mobile isn’t going after them…Cricket Killer I think it was called.

    I too admit to being super excited and telling all my friends to check this out…it is going to be huge etc. Now that reality hits I feel like an idiot. Not sure why anyone would have hyped this and made all those statements about going to number 3…or why would they even have a name for this project. it is just a rate adjustment and the elimination of the best feature T Mobile offers (the Faves) Guess they figured everyone would use google voice with the Faves and get unlimited for cheap….funny thing is sprint will still give you a favorite 5 if you call and ask!

    I think I will drop by the local T mobile store on Sunday and see if anyone is even there!

  • desirocker

    this is so lame…this isnt no game changer..they are just copying sprint..a game changer would be to lower down the prices till 60 max so they cant attract the metro pcs customers…i was actually looking forward for this but now naaa…tmobile is wack

  • Sanjay

    @J

    What you are missing is that not everyone needs unlimited minutes. I have a 1000 minute family plan that I never go over. Why pay more for unlimited that I won’t use? Yes if I kept going over the 1000 minutes it makes sense. I am in the same boat as Fave, I don’t see any benefit to me. What I want is better coverage and speeds, not to save a dollar here and there. They are doing all this and I keep hearing that Louisville does not yet have 3G coverage because of “money”. The towers are ready but it is about money that is what a store “manager” told me. If this is false info why doesn’t T-mobile do their own communicating and keep their customers informed and avoid rumors? How does all this make sense? And then I am told that when they do turn on Louisville it will only be I-65 eastward or something. Totally goofy. Hopefully all these leaks are incomplete and there is more to this.

  • Sanjay

    One more comment. Why does T-mobile have to confuse to make things look better. Trust me, this is not about saving US money but about making THEM money. If they simply wanted to save US money then drop the prices on existing plans or enhance existing plans. I think this whole thing about changing the plan structure is to drive us to what they want not what we want. I hope I am wrong.

  • Y314K

    Brilliant!!! (Just my thoughts, I don’t work or sub with TMobile or know anybody that does personally, I am planning to change from ATT to TMobile shortly after Project Dark goes live)

    This “leaks” are driving the buzz by letting their advocates release & keep in the limelight dated/old/training-purposes info… Training info that does not include the actual prices… Why would TMobile trust thousands & thousands of potential leakers that can derail their most important plans in years…

    This does give use a hint at the structure of the plans… Not all of it.. But enough to know how it might look…

    It wouldn’t surprised me if the official prices will not be a low as it was rumored… But is not going to be as high as this doc’s report… Misinformation is still information lite…

    I would advice everybody that is not with TMobile, like myself…. To get on BillShrink & save or print the pricing from the possible plans you plan to sub to TMobile… Keep it around long enough to be able to match it to the prices that come down with Project Dark…

  • Da Nizzle

    Typically when things leak like this it is a good assumption that they are true.

    With that said, in the past T-Mobile has almost always made adjustments and changes at the finish line based on customer feedback or outrage (most recently it was the data cap for web2go).

    If you take this at face value, then the majority of folks won’t be saving money. Also, ignoring the fact that a lot of smartphone users are on cheaper data plans than they should be (I’m guilty of T-Zones too) these prices aren’t much better than what is available now and in some cases worse due to myFaves.

    The other thing is myFaves. I find it hard to believe that the T-Mob is going to abandon myFaves without some kind of replacement (like an unlimited plan or something that makes it obsolete). Seriously this is a feature that they not only trademarked, but made massive marketing campaigns and stamped the back of all of their phones with it.

    In any event I am not counting the T-Mob out just yet. A 4th quarter comeback is not entitrely out of the question given the information out there. All we really have in terms of pricing is a couple of brochures. Here’s hoping for something a little better.

  • WXman

    “Talk+Text+Web”…..does that = web for smartphones, or the general web and smartphones pay additional on top of that?

  • Jay

    If these rates are correct, it would cost me more money. I currently have 4 G1’s on a family plan and Tmobile@home. Total cost is $220/month. Using the rates above, just the mobile service would be $220/month, so if you add tmobile@home into it- the cost is more. Not cool Tmobile.

  • deangelo724

    there was a question about myfaves being removed. if you take a look at TMob’s website, go to the phone selections and you’ll notice that none of the phones are stamped with the myfaves logo anymore. they are not positioned as myfaves capable anymore, this is a definite clue that they will be no longer available(myfaves that is)

  • Rocko

    @Sanjay:
    Thank you… you hit it right on the spot: Not everyone needs unlimited minutes. This news is great and terrific for those who do… but I’m not going to fork over MORE money when I don’t even use the 1,000 family minutes I have now (Just myself and my mom on the plan).

    So I will end up saving $15 a month w/ Project Dark… but thats ONLY because I have to drop down to 750, since the new PD plans do not have a 1,000 minute family plan. So the only reason I save money is because I lose 250 minutes… I could easily do that now and save some money. Or, on the flip side, I could pay $5 MORE per month for 1,500 minutes which is far more than I need.

    I would say I’m disappointed by Project Dark, but let’s not forget that its the rumor sites that hyped it up to begin with. Overall, rates and plans change all the time, nothing new here. The really big news in all this is the option to go without contract, which they’ve absolutely priced at a point to make you WANT a contract, so I can’t see what they’re tring to accomplish.
    You know what would be really groundbreaking? Is to keep contracts and reduce the break contract fee to maybe one month’s bill or something like that.

  • helloo

    no more 5 circles on the back of phones! thats cool! hahaha

  • helloo

    are the texts unlimited for all of them? data too?

  • helloo

    are text unlimited with 750min or only unlimited voice? also data?

  • GreenTea

    I have myfaves 300 and the unlimited text and data for my g1…I never go over and I pay $89/month (inclu taxes & fees)…this is the equivalent of a total unlimited plan for ME. This change sucks! I still get to keep my myfaves plan right? or do I have to pay the extra $10 more before taxes and fees

  • Bigg

    Yea so, let say I want to get the Even More Plus unlimited plan for 140 for the first 2 lines. If I add a third line for 10 bucks, that line would only get 200 mins? What about text? Is it unlimited too?

  • Bigg

    I meant unlimited txt for the 3rd add on line

  • Wendy

    Well I’m certainly not impressed… I have my faves for a reason because most of my family has tmobile… now with this TMobile … I will not sing your praises anymore… counting days until my contract is up…

  • Kascade Brown

    Taking a look at the new plans and they would actually give me more for the same money, since I do talk well over 1000 mins a month. For the most part they don’t seem to help current t-mobile customers. But that is not T-Mobile’s mission. As stated when project dark was first announced, there would be something that would help take them out of the #4 ranking. Compare these plans to other providers, such as AT&T (which told me unlimted everything would be $120.00) and Verizon, T-Mobile is on the right track, then you get the option for no contract too….

  • hv

    you all should really relax. all plans will be grandfathered.

  • i got niks n dimes

    NICKELS for my Thoughts

  • Bigg

    Why do I even ask, most ppl on here are just as confused as I am on these plan, lets wait till Sun and ask tmobile

  • These plans don’t upset me too much, however, I feel people with grandfathered plans shouldn’t have to pay a migration fee to jump to a Even More +. It’s gonna be $70 for me to take my account to Even More + which I’ll get the 109.99 plan PLUS the MyTouch (or BB 9700, haven’t decided yet) and Cliq (for the wife) broken down into payments, I’m looking at a new bill of at least $150 or $160/mo while I was paying $85/mo for 1000 myFaves, both 400 texts and 9.99 unlimited web for my Shadow. That’s a $70 or $80 jump. Waving the migration fee I feel is only fair.

  • NiiDiddy

    I spoke with a “rate specialist” at T-Mobile only about two hours ago and told them I was basically leaving from Sprint because they seem to have a better family plan with the 1500 minutes. He tried to convince me that I’d be paying more with Sprint because I’d have to pay extra for data. I got on Sprints website to PROVE to him that he was wrong…basically I have to include taxes to the $129.99 Sprint plan and I’d be set!

    I am now convinced that T-Mobile is under some crazy illusion – that is why they’ll remain 4th place. I have gone back and forth on this whole issue and while I am trying not to bash them because I love them, these plans sucks. Any old T-Mobile customers, should head for Sprint andI bet they get a better deal. Wanna bet, T-Mobile??

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  • Aneirin

    First post on this discussion, and I am looking for some pointers. The missing variable here for ME is UMA (@Home service). I don’t think they will discontinue it, because the Blackberry 9700 specifically supports it, so HOW MUCH will they charge for it ? any ideas?

  • Miguel

    These don’t look like great deals to me.

    People are looking at the “Even More Plus” plans and forgetting that the monthly payment you are seeing doesn’t factor in the “financing” of the handset which you would have to purchase at FULL RETAIL.

    i.e. the MyTouch3G costs you $499.00 at FULL Retail. Even if T-Mobile allows you to finance it over 20 months, which is still not confirmed, then your looking at adding $22 a month onto your monthly amount, not including any sales tax.

  • Grr

    @Wendy

    If most of your family have T-Mobile, you have free T-Mobile to T-Moble according to the leaked information.

    In my opinion free T-Mobile to T-Moble and free nights and weekends (though I’d like to see the actualy time and days they consider nights and weekends) easily beats myfaves. The problem with MyFaves is it is a piece of software that eats up a phones memory and probably causes software to take longer to create for T-Mobile. There is likely a reason why T-Mobile’s Blacberries take longer to get new software than Verizon, Sprints, or AT&Ts. MyFaves is likely one of those reasons.

  • timmyjoe42

    @Jay,

    My calcs are that your 4 G1 pricing would be either $220 a month if you use those phones on the plan with no contract, or $260 if you get new phones and enter the 2 year contract. This is getting the unlimited talk, text, and web on all 4 phones.

    $139 for 2 lines plus $40 for line #3 and $40 for line #4 = $220
    $179 for 2 lines plus $40 for line #3 and $40 for line #4 = $260

    Do you have unlimited now? Why would you want tmobile@home if you have 4 unlimited lines? Would you really want to not upgrade your phone and enter a contract?

  • Bigg

    Can I still get PHP insurance with Even More Plus?? Nah I think i’d stay with my current plan

  • timmyjoe42

    I think the real point of these plans is to not get existing T-Mobile customers to switch plans (why would T-Mobile want you to change your plan to save money, or why would anyone with a grandfathered plan that is better ever change to one of these?)

    The real goal is to get Storm and iPhone shoppers to compare rates and see how much the T-Mobile deal saves them, because these plans are cheaper than what AT+T and Verizon are offering. They are essentially trying to open up the flood gates to let new customers in and achieve #3. (I really think they need to acquire some of the smaller GSM companies such as Cincy Bell and MetroPCS.)

  • Michael

    @Jay says:
    October 23, 2009 at 5:10 am

    If these rates are correct, it would cost me more money. I currently have 4 G1’s on a family plan and Tmobile@home. Total cost is $220/month. Using the rates above, just the mobile service would be $220/month, so if you add tmobile@home into it- the cost is more. Not cool Tmobile.

    If your current rate plan is $220 you must have the following plan. 4 lines of G1 service, 1 family text plan, and the 89.99 1800 min plan. with the new rate plans you would get unlimited voice, text, and internet under the EVEN MORE + plan for $160 plus takes each month. Thats a big savings. If you wanted to still get subsidized phones for unlimited everything you would be paying $200 a month.

  • Michael

    if the posted rates are correct

  • crazyright

    To those claiming these are “fake”, sorry to be a buzzkill but they are the real thing. I know it is fun to think it might be some big coverup and let you dream for a couple more days but don’t get your hopes up.

    It cost T-mobile a LOT of money to mail out the sheets you see along with other material to all dealers and corp stores, it would be an epic waste to have to then re-send everything just to hide the “real” prices.

  • TmoKnight

    I didnt read every comment on here but for those all curious the “talk + txt + web” does include the SMARTPHONE data. On the family plan it includes 2 smartphone data. If you just get a dumbphone, subtract 20 from the web plan and there is your monthly cost.

    again, sorry if this was answered.

  • sandy

    @ Home is still $10 a month, that has not changed.

  • Kyle

    @Miguel

    I think the Even More + will still be cheaper. If you have a family plan of 2 lines and you decide to get the 1500 with Unlimited Text and Web and getting 2 MyTouch phones.

    Even More = 159.99 per month + cost of subsidized MyTouch ($100 each)
    159.99 *24 = 3839.75 + 200 = $4039.75

    Even More Plus = 119.99 per month + cost of 2 Mytouch ($499.99 each)
    119.99 *24 = 2879.76 + 1000 = $3879.76

    You still save a total of $160 thru the duration of the 2 years plan.

    It would be a game changer if Tmobile will offer a bigger subsidy discount for the Even More customers.

    For the 3 plans below we should get the following discount for the MyTouch ($499.99)

    Plan 700 – $499.99 – 300 = $199.99
    Plan 1500 – $499.99 – 400 = $99.99
    Plan Unlimited – $499.99 – 499.99 = Free

    What do you think?

  • Grr

    Here is what I don’t get. Okay, so the non-contract plan for unlimited is $20 less than the contract plan because T-Mobile is subsidizing the phone in the contract plan. Fair enough, but the numbers don’t really add up. $20/month x 24 months = $480.

    Okay, lets say I want to go non-contract. Lets say the average phone retails for $300 (and it makes my math easier). So thats $15 a month for 20 months I’ll be paying. So on non-contract, I’m paying like $95 a month for my service and phone.

    Okay, so if I rather go contract, it is going to cost me $100 a month to have a subsidized phone. How much are they subsidizing the phone for? It seems like all phones would have to be 100% free to make going on contract any kind of deal. For me, the conclusion has to be:

    A) Someone’s on crack.
    B) We’re missing something.
    C) Both A and B.

    I think the prices are fair when you compare each plan to an equivalent plan to another carrier, however, they get confusing when you compare them together. I like the unlimited T-Mobile to T-Mobile. I am expecting that might change to free mobile to mobile. I like the unlimited nights and weekends. Something is just missing in the grand scheme.

  • PD4L

    I think T-Mobile needs to be careful when they make statements that their plans are going to launch them out of 4th place. I was skeptical that these plans “leaked” are fake but the more the days go on, I truely believe they are REAL. So with that, all T-Mobile did is copy Sprint. I am sure they might get a few customers from AT&T but can’t see any from Sprint or VZW coming over to T-Mo. Metro, Cricket, Boost and Straight Talk customers will stay put. People keep putting down those customers. Just take a look how many millions of customers use those No Contract carriers. Nothing appealing by these plans to draw them from their current plans.

  • rossi

    @Timmyjoe

    That is exactly the point though, if they’re not in 3rd place now and their new plans can’t beat their current plan’s pricing how are they going to attract new customers? I guess they are now offering unlimited cheaper than verizon or At&T. Without myfaves though, they have a huge hole in their line up. In my case I would have to spend $240 a month for 5 lines versus the $155 I spend right now just to get enough minutes to cover my usage and text messaging… So if I am looking to jump from AT&T or Verizon, and I look at tmobile & sprint; Sprint has any mobile, anytime with 1500 landlines (unlimited everything else) which costs 189.99 for five lines, and tmobile has unlimited talk, data, web for 299.99 for five lines. Unless you absolutely need more than 1500 landline minutes and make all of your calls before 7pm Tmobile’s plan is not even comparable. Then you start looking at 3g coverage and it’s hard not to pick sprint.

    I hope there is more to this PD because at the moment it’s looking like I’ll be going yellow and black.

    @ Niididdy,

    I said it when this whole thing started, all I want is Tmobile’s competition to sprint’s anymobile, anytime and so far it looks as though they’ve failed. We’ve been with tmobile since voicestream days and it will be hard to part.

  • rossi

    @Grr

    If it changes to mobile to mobile you can count me in.

  • sandy

    Those are the flyers that dealers received yesterday to be released by end of business day on the 24th, sorry but these are not fake.

  • Vikingsfan45

    Anybody that says this is not a good idea is RETARDED!!!!!! What you guys fail to see is that its targeted mainly for Prime Credit Verizon and At&t customers!!!!!! Even if you compare Sprint Unlimited plan with T-mobile Unlimited plan its $10 bucks cheaper………….I’m a marketing major so it will come down to how T-mobile does it marketing. Thats one of the Major reasons T-mobile is in 4th place. I just want to smack the person in charge of marketing……. WHO IS WITH ME lol

  • SDS

    Very disappointing. Just look on the Sprint website. For a 1500 minute, subsidized phone w/ 2 yr. contract, 2-line Family Plan w/ unlimited text + web on Sprint is $129.99/mo. On the new T-mobile rate sheet it is $159.99/mo. So…T-mobile’s new big plan that is going to vault them over Sprint costs $30 more per month. Someone at T-mobile didn’t think this one through.

  • rossi

    @ vikingsfan45

    I can’t agree with you, and I have little respect for people who drop their credentials on the internet and expect me to care (especially a marketing major). Do you think Tmobile’s marketing department is run by untrained monkeys? Although it might seem like it actually is I can assure you that they also have marketing degrees.

    See my post a few above yours, and you will see why I am not happy with these new plans. How would you market that crap to me?

    “For only $110 more than sprint’s offering you can get what you want and have more minutes than you’d use”

    Sounds promising. How does, “no thanks, and I’ll take my 5 lines elsewhere” sound to you? By the way, most people with great credit and money to spare are financially savvy. They’re either with Verizon for their network or AT&T for the iphone and larger 3g network (as compared to Tmobile’s)… If they’re going to switch they’re going to look at Sprint first. That is, unless Tmobile has something else up it’s sleeve.

  • Dee

    I don’t think I’ve seen any answers anywhere to this big question:

    Are we, the current TMO users that are HAPPY with our current plans, going to be forced to make a change to this new plan structure???

    I don’t want to pay more for a plan that I will not use to its fullest. How will that save me $$?? I’m happy with my current plan and do not want to change.

    If I’m forced to switch, I’ll make the switch to another carrier. I’ve been with TMO from the beginning… and this sucks.

  • CellFan

    @Rossi,

    I totally agree with you.

    @@ vikingsfan45,

    You are right, they seem to be targeting VZW & AT&T customers. The problem is if they look at T-Mobile, then look at Sprint, what sets T-Mobile above Sprint? Saving $10 a month? I think that is not too much of a deciding factor especially with Sprints Any mobile, anytime. For example, all of my calls are to other cell phones with very little calls to landlines. For people like me, why would I take my family plan to T-Mobile? Even if I do leave AT&T, I would look at Sprint for that reason.

    Its too to like and be loyal to T-Mobile but also okay to say, this is not a smart game plan by DT/T-Mobile USA. The concept of No Contract prices are good but is that really enough to gain customers. I agree with Rossi, maybe making Any Mobile, Anytime to their plans would be a better idea.

    And marketing major would know how to counter act this plan by T-Mobile, VZW has the “We have a map for that” tv ads. Seems to be very effective. And AT&T just has to show iPhone commercials and they will counter act this.

    Sprint and T-Mobile need a whole new marketing departing, that I do agree with you. Both have OKAY at best marketing ads.

  • Tmo

    Customers who have grandfathered rate plans can still keep their current rate plans. Their would be no change to pricing- still grandfathered.

  • Rob

    These plans could be targeted at people who are with Verizon & AT&T.They will definitely see a decrease in their monthly bill.
    However they could compete with Sprint when it comes to unlimited, but asides from that every plan has to be evaluated.
    T-Mo as well as most companies have the general public plans and the “loyalty” or “retention” pricing plans. At least I hope they have these.
    However, the current pricing plans here do for me to go towards unlimited since I have a 2000 min family plan w/ 4 lines and 2 Data devices. We spend around 1200-1700 mins (depending on the month) and with 1500 I’d hit overage.
    The 200 should be the for w/o data. Currently my mom, who is on my pricing plan, does not txt or go on the internet. It would be nice to add her, but not limit her to 200 mins.

  • Rob

    Sorry about the grammar on the above post. Just woke up.

  • allan…atwork

    We already have free mobile to mobile for all tmo customers.

  • rossi

    @ allan

    No one is denying that. Sprint’s plan is any mobile any network… free.

  • Mark

    My only question is this. I just extended my contract and got a subsidized G1 in August. Will I be able to switch to the no contract plan?

  • my question is what about the blackberry enterprise.
    I would switch to this if it was included in the unlimited plan but my guess is since I need this, I can’t go with any of these plans

  • Mark

    Since the 2 year agreement is subsidizing a phone, does that mean it doesn’t mattter what phone you want? It would suck if you only want a basic cheap phone, but a smartphone would be morre attractive to many people. Might not be a bad way to get more people on smartphones and get more data subscriptions.

  • ps

    Did anyone notice that the Smartphone web pricing is actually going up???? From $25 to $30 WTF

  • 30014

    @vikingsfan45….prices have nothing to do with people choosing at&t or verizon over t-mobile. Phone selection and coverage are just as important as price. And with no killer exclusive phone to offer, t-mobile doesn’t have much of a bone to chew on. Sprint and verizon have the big boy android phones and at&t has the iphone while we get the isuck 3g and the tween friendly cliq. Tmo has always been price competitive so I don’t know why they think that is an area that needs fixing. Agree with me or not, but I say it would take landing the iphone to overtake sprint. I know that’s not gonna happen before anyone bothers bashing me. Be honest with yourselves though, the iphone is the current be all end all in the mobile industry at the moment.

  • wagonis

    Okay, so let me understand this…and I’m sure it’s been asked somewhere in the 102 responses…if I wanted to get the $139.99 unlimited family plan and add a line, that’s an additional $30 but only for minutes. Then if I wanted data for that 3rd line it would be either $10 or $30 depending if it’s a smart or dumb phone…is that correct?

    Can someone confirm this for me please?

  • Mark

    Wagonis, I think it would be included in the unlimited plan or the price jump from unlimited Voice and text to unlimited web would not be so high.

  • watbetch

    There is an unprecedented amount of Sprint trolling going on here, and it’s probably all by the same person.

  • Bobby

    R.I.P. Sprint lol

  • rossi

    I’ll admit I have been talking about sprint’s plans. ONLY because I am disappointed with tmobile. Btw, as far as I know the other guys are not the same. If you have been reading NiiDiddy’s posts you will see that he has done a 180 from TMO all the way to wow, sprint’s plan is better than project dark.

    I am not trying to troll, but I suppose it comes off that way because I am simply venting my frustration that tmobile didn’t deliver…

    Sure, I guess you don’t have to believe me.

  • RWWackoStu

    So let me get this right – I can take my current contract (59.99 FP, 2 lines @ 4.99 text 80/mth ) with 1 year left and move it to the even more plus (for a fee Im sure) not have a contract, add data on both Berries (750 FP + text+data 110 mth) and will that be a pre-pay or still a monthly bill? Since I have no contract, Could I make the switch on Sunday, and in November when the 9700 comes out, change phones and start the 22 mth finance? Is this right based on what we know right now? The only way I will change is if this is possible. IF I add data right now I am @ 130 mth. Am I totally confused??

  • RWWackoStu

    Should have read Could I make the switch on Sunday, and since I have no contract, in November when the 9700 comes out, change phones and start the 22 mth finance?

  • RolloC84

    I’m not a Sprint troll either. The fact of the matter is the plans are just better. Straight from sprints website for a 2 line family plan:

    This plan includes
    -Any Mobile, Anytime: Unlimited domestic calls from the Sprint network to and from ANY U.S. mobile phone regardless of carrier. Any network, any time.
    -Unlimited data: Web surfing, email, BlackBerry Internet Services (BIS), GPS Navigation, Music Premier, TV Premier, NFL Mobile Live and NASCAR Sprint Cup MobileSM
    -Unlimited messaging: Text, pictures and video
    -Talk: Night calling and weekends starting at 7 p.m., nationwide long distance and no roaming charges. Lines 1-2 included. Lines 3-5 are $19.99/mo./line.
    Featured services for Nextel Direct Connect® capable phones: Direct Connect and Group Connect® $5/mo./line (Look for this on the Services page prior to checkout.)

    Take note of not only the any mobile, but their data plan also comes with GPS navigation (right now $10 a month extra on TMobile and you have a data plan) NFL and NASCAR live right on your phone. And you still have 1500 anytime minutes to split to call landlines (any cell phone is free) all for $130.00 a month. The new prices from TMobile can’t compete with that and Sprint is already in 3rd place ahead of us. How do we expect to pass them offering sub-par plans? Now I highly doubt TMobile is going to sit back and lose customers so I’m not ready to jump ship just yet. Lets be patient and see what unfolds during the coming weeks. Even if these prices are officially the new ones (and I called CS, they are), I’m sure they will offer existing customers a deal before they will let a bunch of people walk away. And don’t be afraid to call CS and express your concerns. If enough of us complain about the new pricing structure, they will have no choice but to listen to us. We are they’re paycheck.

  • RolloC84

    *totally used the wrong form of they. meant to say “their”*

  • RolloC84

    *totally used the wrong form of they. needs to be “their”*

  • jose gomez

    i been reading alot about project dark and have a few things to say personally i don’t believe this will save tmo they need to improve their network first and foremost then get much better phones.

  • no service is perfect one will always have what the other doesn’t marketing 101 So you are either with us or not so be a poser on someone elses network This post is to all the whiny bitches

  • fmh

    the plans seem aimed for lower end users, those who dont want data, just talk… that will eventually lead to overburden of the network. i wont be surprised if they gained “even more” customers and got “even more plus” dropped calls…

    all that hype about myfaves this, myfaves that…down the drain… sprint is holding its position, even with their “issues”. they might lose the higher end users for network quality and data speeds.

    WHAT… tmobile is buying sprint…and this was all a cover up…lmao

  • fmh

    they(tmobile) might lose the higher end users for network quality and data speeds.

  • Stanly

    A though seems to have gone through my head. Isn’t it possible that by simply re-arranging and simplifying its plans, but not reducing the price, that T-Mobile intends to set its self at truly competing with the S, ATT, and VZW? If T-Mobile were to cut all their rates down extremely low, wouldn’t some consumers wonder WHY their prices were so low?
    I know in my area Sprint was HORRIBLE for the 3 weeks I tried them. Bad customer service, horrible coverage. I only have one dead spot in the entire cleveland metro area. Go to Sprint to get there 69.99 plan, I dare you. Then deal with Sprint. You’ll find out why it’s so cheap.

  • rossi

    @ Dannydarko

    punctuation is your friend because if i were to keep writing without it you would have no idea what i am talking about marketing 101 does not state that no service is ever perfect nor does it state that each service offers something that others do not have stating that you are either with us or you are not is simple minded and not helpful to the cause as i would like to see tmobile as a larger force in the market through gaining more handset exclusives offering better plans and offering wider coverage to more subscribers across their network tmobile has always had the value pricing and their new pricing scheme does not seem to cater to the mid level customers for me unlimited is overkill and would raise my bill by a large margin while the 750 and 1500 minute plans do not offer me enough so call me a “whiny bitch” but i know i am not the only one that thinks these plans are not going to gain our favorite carrier a larger share of the market i hope i am wrong you have no idea how much i hope i am pleasantly surprised on sunday as far as being a poser i have a guy with the name dannydarko calling me a poser wow just wow

  • JBLmobileG1

    Well…. this is REAL. These plans are legit. Although most people may just want to stick with their older plans… come Sunday new customers are only allowed to choose from above. No more MyFavs (BOO!). At least the older plans are grandfathered. As for this being a big thing to help boost Tmobile to 3rd place… I doubt it. These plans are simplified but not anything to WOW over…. atleast IMO.

  • 30014

    @DannyDarko….stfu

  • helloo

    @Dannydarko-ya vete a dormir!

  • tmos

    I find it funny how people love to jump to conclusions. Why don’t you wait until Sunday when it’s officially released and see how you like it then. We don’t even know if these are real yet. Something tells me though that some people on here would complain regardless.

  • wilkes

    Ugghh Project Dark is looking darker and darker and even more darker (in a bad way) I will honestly pay the $200 termination fee and go for the most expensive AT&T plan and get the iPhone. Because I can barely get service in my own home. I expected the htc dragon an iPhone or and iPhone killer or how about a slew of kick ass android devices and of course the n900. Honestly, I don’t care if I will create a dent in my wallet by paying a $200 termination fee. Because in these rough times the best thing you can have is family and friends and if I can barely get the service to talk with them. Well than I dont know what the hell is important anymore.

  • Dia

    I would also guess H@H phones will no longer be coming out. Shame, cause I use mine when I go overseas so I don’t pay any international roaming charges. Of course I’m only guessing.

  • htc hero

    i talked to a dude at t mobile today and it comes out on monday cant wate

  • John

    Guys, quit speculating. I don’t know if I’ve seen any posts here that didn’t jump to conclusions. And to clear something up, TMobile’s 3G network covers over 200 million people. I daresay it’s better than ATTs. The network is capable of going to HSDPA at any time and jumping to ultrafast speed. It’s already live in Philly. And if I could digitally smack all the iPhone groupies on here I would. The Android OS is so much more flexible and open that Apple’s it’s no wonder that in just over a year, the OS has spread to all the major carriers. And in case most of you haven’t done your homework on the tech specs for Android phones(and most on here have not), all the current Android phones except for the aging G1 are within spitting distance of each other. The only differences are form factor and some brand specific software tweaks(ala the Cliq). Android has gone from obscurity to mainstream in no time. I really shouldn’t even have to point these things out but we got some haterade drinking trolls running around here and I just couldn’t keep quiet anymore. Don’t assume anything about Project Dark. If you have questions, go to your local TMobile on Sunday and get it straight from them before popping off at the mouth about what you THINK you know.

  • Crazytmo

    @RWWackoStu—the answer to your question is no. After the “migration fee” ($35) you will need to finish the remainder of your contract before officially being a “no contracct” customer.

    However, yes, you will be able to purchase the 9700 on the 20 month payment plan at any time after 11/11 (the release date)