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		<title>By: deangelo724</title>
		<link>http://www.tmonews.com/2009/10/project-blackdark-docs-leaked/comment-page-2/#comment-23052</link>
		<dc:creator>deangelo724</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am with Bart on this. If you look closely(even though this is just a training image) it clearly shows that the individual line has selected price plan: UNLTTW. the on a later image for billing and charges, show that the monthly access is $69.99

You have to be a complete itiot to not take this plan. Most of us on individual plans pay at a minimun with smartphones: 39.99 for individual myfaves 300, then 34.99 for unltd data+msg=$74.98/month.......

What are you gonna do?......I&#039;m getting the new plan!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am with Bart on this. If you look closely(even though this is just a training image) it clearly shows that the individual line has selected price plan: UNLTTW. the on a later image for billing and charges, show that the monthly access is $69.99</p>
<p>You have to be a complete itiot to not take this plan. Most of us on individual plans pay at a minimun with smartphones: 39.99 for individual myfaves 300, then 34.99 for unltd data+msg=$74.98/month&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>What are you gonna do?&#8230;&#8230;I&#8217;m getting the new plan!!</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.tmonews.com/2009/10/project-blackdark-docs-leaked/comment-page-2/#comment-23015</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uhhhhh if this site is owned by T-mobile, then I need some serious backpay!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uhhhhh if this site is owned by T-mobile, then I need some serious backpay!</p>
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		<title>By: Bart</title>
		<link>http://www.tmonews.com/2009/10/project-blackdark-docs-leaked/comment-page-2/#comment-23014</link>
		<dc:creator>Bart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NO NOT ALL EMPLOYEES WERE READ THE NDAs AND NO ONE HAS BEEN FIRED YET. THIS SITE IS ACTUALLY RUN BY T-MOBILE THEY JUST KEEP THE SITE UNOFFICIAL TO CREATE  HYPE AND GET PEOPLE EXCITED. PEOPLE DON&#039;T BE RUHTARDS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NO NOT ALL EMPLOYEES WERE READ THE NDAs AND NO ONE HAS BEEN FIRED YET. THIS SITE IS ACTUALLY RUN BY T-MOBILE THEY JUST KEEP THE SITE UNOFFICIAL TO CREATE  HYPE AND GET PEOPLE EXCITED. PEOPLE DON&#8217;T BE RUHTARDS</p>
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		<title>By: Bart</title>
		<link>http://www.tmonews.com/2009/10/project-blackdark-docs-leaked/comment-page-2/#comment-23013</link>
		<dc:creator>Bart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JBL litigious people are pussies. america does nothing but sue now and americans feel like they are entitled to everything someone else has. we&#039;re turning into a bunch of french pussies</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JBL litigious people are pussies. america does nothing but sue now and americans feel like they are entitled to everything someone else has. we&#8217;re turning into a bunch of french pussies</p>
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		<title>By: Bart</title>
		<link>http://www.tmonews.com/2009/10/project-blackdark-docs-leaked/comment-page-2/#comment-23011</link>
		<dc:creator>Bart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>its 49.99 for unlim talk&gt;&gt;&gt;59.99 for unlim talk and text&gt;&gt;&gt;69.99 for unlim talk text and web. If you look closely and use reason you can tell this (but i also have sources)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its 49.99 for unlim talk&gt;&gt;&gt;59.99 for unlim talk and text&gt;&gt;&gt;69.99 for unlim talk text and web. If you look closely and use reason you can tell this (but i also have sources)</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://www.tmonews.com/2009/10/project-blackdark-docs-leaked/comment-page-2/#comment-22717</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ JBLmobileG1 - #1 - That&#039;s probably just dummy account info.  Someone probably took pics while training on the new stuff and posted.  The fact that it&#039;s a Seattle, WA account gives credence to that since T-Mobile is based out of WA.

#2 - I&#039;m not AFRAID that I won&#039;t be a beta tester anymore...I could care less.  I just like knowing stuff before other people do.  It really doesn&#039;t bother me.  I&#039;ve only done it twice over the past year, I was fine before I was a beta tester, I&#039;ll be fine after.

#3 - You took what I said and twisted like nobody&#039;s business.  Notice I said &quot;in general&quot; meaning, USUALLY...that doesn&#039;t mean they don&#039;t care at all.  AND, most leaks are about products/services that people already know are coming anyway, usually because some CEO of some company mentioned it in a press conference.  The G1 wasn&#039;t a leak, T-Mobile AND Google mentioned it openly in press conferences.  3G and the cities it was coming to wasn&#039;t a leak, people knew it was coming thanks to T-Mobile press conferences, they just didn&#039;t know when.  When a company wants to keep something under wraps completely, the know how.  

Think about it...how many people here had NO clue 3G was coming until it lit up in there city?  They may have known an estimation(which quarter it was coming) but they had NO idea what day.

How many people here knew about the 21mbps upgrade that happened in Philly before it happened?

Nobody?  Why?  Because T-Mobile didn&#039;t want it out, they just did things without giving an opportunity for it to leak.

Think about this...if this information was never leaked, how many people would REALLY care about Project Black?  If T-Mobile just all the sudden one day said, we&#039;re gonna give out free handsets for 1 month to every person in the world for some sort of a publicity stunt, it&#039;d take a week or two before everybody even knew the deal existed.

As I said, leaks create chatter, chatter creates hype, hype leads to people jumping in the water as soon as the pool is filled.  If info about the iPhone had never been leaked, how many people do you think would&#039;ve cancelled their contracts in those 3 months before it was released because they wanted to get a phone on a different carrier?  Let&#039;s say it was just 100(which im sure is VERY low), and lets say each person had a $40/month plan.  Thats $4000/month they would&#039;ve lost.  Which over the life of a contract is $96,000.  Let&#039;s say just 50 of those people decided to stay to get the iPhone, not only do they keep from losing $24,000/year, they also actually get MORE money from the reps who stayed because now they have to purchase a data plan as well.  People who probably upgraded to the 3G when it came out, and then the 3GS when IT came out.

Leaks are not always bad, sometimes they are, but more than not, it just creates a hype around a product/service.  As they say, no publicity is bad publicity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ JBLmobileG1 &#8211; #1 &#8211; That&#8217;s probably just dummy account info.  Someone probably took pics while training on the new stuff and posted.  The fact that it&#8217;s a Seattle, WA account gives credence to that since T-Mobile is based out of WA.</p>
<p>#2 &#8211; I&#8217;m not AFRAID that I won&#8217;t be a beta tester anymore&#8230;I could care less.  I just like knowing stuff before other people do.  It really doesn&#8217;t bother me.  I&#8217;ve only done it twice over the past year, I was fine before I was a beta tester, I&#8217;ll be fine after.</p>
<p>#3 &#8211; You took what I said and twisted like nobody&#8217;s business.  Notice I said &#8220;in general&#8221; meaning, USUALLY&#8230;that doesn&#8217;t mean they don&#8217;t care at all.  AND, most leaks are about products/services that people already know are coming anyway, usually because some CEO of some company mentioned it in a press conference.  The G1 wasn&#8217;t a leak, T-Mobile AND Google mentioned it openly in press conferences.  3G and the cities it was coming to wasn&#8217;t a leak, people knew it was coming thanks to T-Mobile press conferences, they just didn&#8217;t know when.  When a company wants to keep something under wraps completely, the know how.  </p>
<p>Think about it&#8230;how many people here had NO clue 3G was coming until it lit up in there city?  They may have known an estimation(which quarter it was coming) but they had NO idea what day.</p>
<p>How many people here knew about the 21mbps upgrade that happened in Philly before it happened?</p>
<p>Nobody?  Why?  Because T-Mobile didn&#8217;t want it out, they just did things without giving an opportunity for it to leak.</p>
<p>Think about this&#8230;if this information was never leaked, how many people would REALLY care about Project Black?  If T-Mobile just all the sudden one day said, we&#8217;re gonna give out free handsets for 1 month to every person in the world for some sort of a publicity stunt, it&#8217;d take a week or two before everybody even knew the deal existed.</p>
<p>As I said, leaks create chatter, chatter creates hype, hype leads to people jumping in the water as soon as the pool is filled.  If info about the iPhone had never been leaked, how many people do you think would&#8217;ve cancelled their contracts in those 3 months before it was released because they wanted to get a phone on a different carrier?  Let&#8217;s say it was just 100(which im sure is VERY low), and lets say each person had a $40/month plan.  Thats $4000/month they would&#8217;ve lost.  Which over the life of a contract is $96,000.  Let&#8217;s say just 50 of those people decided to stay to get the iPhone, not only do they keep from losing $24,000/year, they also actually get MORE money from the reps who stayed because now they have to purchase a data plan as well.  People who probably upgraded to the 3G when it came out, and then the 3GS when IT came out.</p>
<p>Leaks are not always bad, sometimes they are, but more than not, it just creates a hype around a product/service.  As they say, no publicity is bad publicity.</p>
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		<title>By: JBLmobileG1</title>
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		<dc:creator>JBLmobileG1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick... your a JOKE if you don&#039;t THINK they care what leaks then why are you affraid if they find out that you gave any info away you won&#039;t be a beta tester anymore? Please... what a joke man.  You NEED to be fired and I hope the above numbers belong to you. Why on earth would they make their employees sign something stating for them NOT to tell anyone about it if they wanted someone to leak the info.  Seriously... I hope you don&#039;t beta test for Tmobile... although on second though that would explain why I have all the problems with the kioks at my work... and for some reason its only with Tmobile. LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick&#8230; your a JOKE if you don&#8217;t THINK they care what leaks then why are you affraid if they find out that you gave any info away you won&#8217;t be a beta tester anymore? Please&#8230; what a joke man.  You NEED to be fired and I hope the above numbers belong to you. Why on earth would they make their employees sign something stating for them NOT to tell anyone about it if they wanted someone to leak the info.  Seriously&#8230; I hope you don&#8217;t beta test for Tmobile&#8230; although on second though that would explain why I have all the problems with the kioks at my work&#8230; and for some reason its only with Tmobile. LOL</p>
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		<title>By: JBLmobileG1</title>
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		<dc:creator>JBLmobileG1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know.... I find it pretty stupid that whoever took these pics actually took a picture of someones account with all the phone numbers... yet none of the editors blurred them out.  Can we say Lawsuit?  I know if someone just posted my number(s) all over the internet without my permission I would hold someone accountable.  And which ever Tmobile employee took these... man your dumb.  Even if this isn&#039;t their numbers I am sure there is a way to find out who was testing this new system setup using these numbers and that will confirm the photographer and anyone involved.  Like someone posted before I am sure someone (or some people) were fired.  Hopefully whoevers numbers are posted knows about this because now anyone can just call them if they haven&#039;t already.  More than likely these numbers were of someone involved in all of this and if they were willing to share this information on the internet by letting someone take pictures of this I am sure they would have no problem taking phone calls from the competion for a price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know&#8230;. I find it pretty stupid that whoever took these pics actually took a picture of someones account with all the phone numbers&#8230; yet none of the editors blurred them out.  Can we say Lawsuit?  I know if someone just posted my number(s) all over the internet without my permission I would hold someone accountable.  And which ever Tmobile employee took these&#8230; man your dumb.  Even if this isn&#8217;t their numbers I am sure there is a way to find out who was testing this new system setup using these numbers and that will confirm the photographer and anyone involved.  Like someone posted before I am sure someone (or some people) were fired.  Hopefully whoevers numbers are posted knows about this because now anyone can just call them if they haven&#8217;t already.  More than likely these numbers were of someone involved in all of this and if they were willing to share this information on the internet by letting someone take pictures of this I am sure they would have no problem taking phone calls from the competion for a price.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://www.tmonews.com/2009/10/project-blackdark-docs-leaked/comment-page-2/#comment-22701</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ mike...whether companies admit it or not, in GENERAL, leaks are good for business.  It causes chatter(especially in a situation where there&#039;s enough info to give an idea of what&#039;s to come, but not enough to give it away), that chatter leads to speculation, speculation leads to anticipation, anticipation leads to people hoping on the band wagon the moment a seat opens up.  Companies often times CREATE the leak on purpose for that exact reason.  The only times NDA agreements really come into play is durring beta testing of a product/service and/or if you&#039;re dealing with the government.  For the most part, lower-level employees don&#039;t know enough about something long enough before it&#039;s released in order to have an impact on anything.  Usually they only know a few days before the rest of the public does.  It&#039;s just interesting that people who never cared about leaks before all the sudden care about this one.  It WILL be a game changer for T-Mobile...but like someone said earlier, don&#039;t grow a conscious after all this time of not caring.  That being said, there&#039;s a difference between a conscious and caution.  A conscious means you feel bad about something, caution means you think it&#039;d be more beneficial to not take a particular action.  I think in this case, that&#039;s what this site had done before.  I don&#039;t think the CARE about what leaks, I think they just wanted to use caution in exploiting this particular leak.  I&#039;ve beta tested for T-Mobile before, I could care less if I tell someone what exactly I&#039;m doing, but I choose not to(caution) because if they find out it&#039;s me, I won&#039;t be a beta tester anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ mike&#8230;whether companies admit it or not, in GENERAL, leaks are good for business.  It causes chatter(especially in a situation where there&#8217;s enough info to give an idea of what&#8217;s to come, but not enough to give it away), that chatter leads to speculation, speculation leads to anticipation, anticipation leads to people hoping on the band wagon the moment a seat opens up.  Companies often times CREATE the leak on purpose for that exact reason.  The only times NDA agreements really come into play is durring beta testing of a product/service and/or if you&#8217;re dealing with the government.  For the most part, lower-level employees don&#8217;t know enough about something long enough before it&#8217;s released in order to have an impact on anything.  Usually they only know a few days before the rest of the public does.  It&#8217;s just interesting that people who never cared about leaks before all the sudden care about this one.  It WILL be a game changer for T-Mobile&#8230;but like someone said earlier, don&#8217;t grow a conscious after all this time of not caring.  That being said, there&#8217;s a difference between a conscious and caution.  A conscious means you feel bad about something, caution means you think it&#8217;d be more beneficial to not take a particular action.  I think in this case, that&#8217;s what this site had done before.  I don&#8217;t think the CARE about what leaks, I think they just wanted to use caution in exploiting this particular leak.  I&#8217;ve beta tested for T-Mobile before, I could care less if I tell someone what exactly I&#8217;m doing, but I choose not to(caution) because if they find out it&#8217;s me, I won&#8217;t be a beta tester anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sad thing is that there is an extremely strict confidentiality agreement that all t-mobile employees were read...the leaking of this information can and will lead to termination...which has already occured</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sad thing is that there is an extremely strict confidentiality agreement that all t-mobile employees were read&#8230;the leaking of this information can and will lead to termination&#8230;which has already occured</p>
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